[chuckles]

Yeah.

[chuckles] Yeah, exactly.

Let's keep it relevant, right? Um, well, I mean, I'm, um, so I'm, uh, originally from the Netherlands.

Um, I did historic building surveying over there.

Uh, and I'm actually from the south, so city of Maastricht, which, um, at the time when I was, um, uh, helping with doing all these surveys of, of historic buildings, I didn't realize just what a good learning, uh ... what, what, what a good school that was because there were, um ...

Maastricht was, uh, because of its location, was occupied by, uh, by the French, the Habsburgs, the, you know, the Spanish.

Yeah.