And so tell us, so when d- when did you get into doing some running?

Um, so about 13 months ago, um, I decided...

I'd, I'd never really run before, I mean, at school, 'cause I'm quite short.

You're never really picked for the running when you're under a certain height, so it wasn't one of my things.

Um, I tried doing Couch to 5 years ago and stuff, but didn't really enjoy it.

Um, and I, I kind of hit my early 50s, and I just felt I needed to do something physically for me to improve my health, to improve, um, my strength and all that sort of stuff.

Um, and I know Kevin really loves running, and he talks about it a lot.

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