And you might not race anymore, Michelle, but you are still very deeply connected to the sport, giving retired horses a second life.

Yeah, it sort of fell into a natural progression for me.

I started training horses in a dual licence where you could ride and train, and now I just train solely, not a jockey anymore, but...

You know, I had horses that were retired and needed to find homes and it just was a natural progression to, you know, calm them down, just train them to either become show jumpers, trail riding horses, even just nannies for other horses in the paddock.

They're so amazing and adaptable.

It's just a beautiful way to...

But they'd also be really great companions for people, wouldn't they? People who have properties and want to have horses around

them, people with disabilities.

When does the pain arrive?

Uh, so the pain was excruciating.

I was on the track, um, and in a ball, holding my knees in, in like the fetal position and, and they were like, "We have to get you onto the stretcher.

We've got another race to go." I was like, "You can't, you can't stretch me out.

You're gonna-- I'm bleeding inside.

I can feel it.

You're gonna tear something, whatever's torn already even more." And they're like, "We have to get you onto the stretcher." And I was like, "Can you just put me on in a ball?" And so they actually did that.

... stop taking it?

Your mum, tell us the story of what happened to your mum.

Dad was going to take the kids to school this day.

They obviously must have taken turns, or I don't know how they worked it out, but this day Dad was taking the kids to school, but he got stuck on the phone, and he signaled to Mum, "Can you take the kids?" So hopped in the car.

Um, she only had four going to school this day.

Um, for one reason or another, the others weren't going.

Um, obviously the youngest three of us, um, were too young to go to school.

But, um, yeah, so she, she hopped in the car, and literally I'd say it's four minutes from home, um, she was just driving down one of the, the main roads to head into Ballarat where we lived, and, um, one of the other mums was taking her children to school.

Hmm

Who's someone that would be known, seen as well-known, that's made a positive impact on you?

So many people that aren't well-known, so that's really hard.

Um, there is one, um, there was a female jockey who, um, wrote a book.

Her name's Bev Buckingham.

She's probably not very well known, but she was one of the first women to win a premiership in Tasmania as a jockey, and then she got paralyzed, and she was so determined to walk again, which she did-

Random playlist?

... playlist, a random playlist.

Um, Stevie and I have a soundtrack we listen to because he's a huge movie fan and, um, you know, there's so many soundtracks we love, like random, The Sound of Music, um, The Wedding Singer, stuff like that.