H- how the hell did we get here?

Yeah, I think that's a great question.

And, and this is partly, you know, we sort of started the conversation of how do we get to tobacco control.

Um, for me, when I started to look at public health, tobacco control is, uh, frequently held up as, um, the, the gold, uh, the standard, the benchmark, um, of public health and public health good.

And there's so much to celebrate in tobacco control.

We've seen, um, tremendous successes, um, in terms of reducing smoking prevalence to about ten percent across the country now, in spite of an industry that continues to reinvent itself.

The flip side is we've got a lot to learn.

Um, I wonder, you know, how this en-ends up informing not just public debate, but policy and things like that as well.

And did you find in your research that grandparents or particularly grandmothers feel confident in their provision of food or what sort of came through when you were talking to them about their experience of being a food provider for their grandchildren?

Yeah, I mean, they sort of decided it to be an important part of their role.

They're doing a lot of food provision practices.

So one of the first things we wanted to sort of find out is, well, how much food are they actually providing? Or are they just sort of doing a couple of hours of childcare and not providing much? And what we found is that the majority of them are definitely giving their grandkids snacks.

maybe when they come home from school or throughout the day.

But there were around a fifth of grandparents who are providing snacks and all of their main meals.

So breakfast, lunch and dinner.

And that's what I was going to ask you next was what are, what are the strategies to be able to support grandparents? What, what was the, what were the findings coming out of the research that can support grandparents going forwards?

But what, what have you seen has been the r- reaction of tobacco and, and its allies to th- to this good news from the AIHW?

AIHW?Yeah.

I mean, it's interesting because I, I mean, unless, um, Laura's seen something that I haven't seen, I haven't seen a lot from Big Tobacco.

They've been suspiciously quiet a- at this good news, which, which kind of makes sense, right? It's not the news that they were hoping for.

In terms of their retail sector allies though, we have seen some media releases go out calling into question the results, calling into question the AIHW as an organization.

We've also seen some politis- politicization of the issue and some, um, some MPs come out and also question the survey.

The interesting thing about that is that these individuals have relied on the survey for years to sort of frame their own argument about vapes and, and tobacco and all of that sort of stuff.

No rest for the wicked.

But what, what have you seen has been the r- reaction of tobacco and, and its allies to, to this good news from the AIHW?

AIHW?Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because I, I mean, unless, um, Laura's seen something that I haven't seen, I haven't seen a lot from Big Tobacco.

They've been suspiciously quiet at, at this good news, which, which kind of makes sense, right? It's not the news that they were hoping for.

In terms of their retail sector allies though, we have seen some media releases go out calling into question the results, calling into question the AIHW as an organization.

We've also seen some politis- politicization of the issue and some, um, some MPs come out and also question the survey.

The interesting thing about that is that these individuals have relied on the survey for years to sort of frame their own argument about vapes and, and tobacco and all of that sort of stuff.

And it's interesting that when the results come out that aren't the results that they were hoping for, um, all of a sudden the survey, you know, doesn't make sense and we need an independent review into it.

No rest for the wicked.

In this episode, you'll hear Professor Michelle Jonganelis talk about how children and young people are targeted by harmful industries like tobacco and gambling for profit.

I have a few stories to share today.

I hope that they do the storytelling of the traditional owners some justice.

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So a little bit about myself.

My name is Michelle Johnson-Ellis.

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