
Michelle Edsall
Licensed clinical social worker (LLMSW) and DST therapist at Counseling Center of West Michigan specializing in betrayal trauma and deceptive sexuality
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Aug 23, 2026
Episode 38 - Conversations with Michelle Edsall - Objectification
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7:07Chris JonesHOST
They're seen as perhaps what you can get from them, what they can do for you, the role they fulfill or something like that, rather than this deeper sense of what it is to recognize the humanity of a person.

Michelle EdsallGUEST
There's no curiosity about the interior of the other person, what makes them tick, what the very things that include relationship are usually absent.

Michelle EdsallGUEST
And sometimes those deteriorate slowly over relationships that don't have any kind of even deceptive sexuality.

Michelle EdsallGUEST
And then the deceptive sexuality component really highlights it differently.
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31:46Chris JonesHOST
So be good to, again, just get your initial reflections on that and then maybe see where we go with it.