Did you hear God right away? Did it always, was it always a part of your life, or was there a turning point?

Well, I feel really blessed because I know this isn't for everybody, but I feel like I was born with a believing heart, and I recognize that that's one of...

That's a gift, and there are other people that have to really wrestle.

But I think I always wanted to believe, but I have definitely been through times where it's, it's been a roller coaster.

And I think of times in my life when I felt empty.

Just empty, and like heaven was closed, and I couldn't hear anything.

And I think that's not an uncommon experience, as I've talked to other friends.

Thank you, Charity.

Oh, yeah.

Like, they didn't know.

Like, what is this? And I think sometimes in our own lives, we don't understand.

Like, what is this? [laughs] Like, I'm trying.

I'm...

And things just are going wrong.

We don't understand our circumstances or what's happening.

[laughs] So good.