you go from chef to carpenter first? Like what caused that transition?

Okay, so earlier on, like through my childhood, a lot of trades in the family, dad and uncles, mechanic, In the automotive industry, my grandfather was a concreter when he came out as an immigrant.

So I spent a lot of time with my grandfather when I was young.

Like always around, we're always building, always doing something around the house, concrete here, going out there, whatever.

Came time to build, my dad built his house and the same thing.

My grandfather was there.

We spent so much time going through it.

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