What is it?

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

The omni-cause is these leftists, greenies who basically would jump on any cause that is anti-Western civilization, and it doesn't matter whether they believe in it or not.

If it's against the West, they will go for it.

Uh, the environmentalists and, uh, and, and the, the, you know, they worship the environment.

They are anti-Western civilization.

Why is the Brotherhood so dangerous?

Because he turned up.

I, I think it was the mayor of Brighton, but, uh, Luton and Brighton and Manchester and, and, and, uh, Birmingham, and all these elected mayors and the school boards, and this is the two things they focused on, the school boards and the council.

And you know how they started? Over 20 years ago, I had the joy of sitting with several parliamentarians in England, in Westminster, and I had the paper that had written by their thinker, who's now dead, n- named Youssef Qaradawi.

He's the basic thinker behind this whole Third Jihad concept.

Well, we failed in the First Jihad when we got to France in the S- 600s, got stopped.

We failed in the Second Jihad, 1400s, we got to Vienna, occupied Vienna, lost.

So now this is the Third Jihad, which we attack the Vatican.

It wasn't.

... mutually incompatible, and yet perfectly aligned in these times.

Yeah, they are, and it's for a, a mutual cause, you see, and the cause is the destruction of Western civilization, which is built, whether people believe that or not, really based on the Reformation.

Now, I've done a lot of study on that when I was at Emory University.

A reformation that gave us what Western civilization is, all the conveniences, all the things that we take for granted, but they came as a result of the Reformation, and the respect of the human being, and the importance of the individual to God, and that God came and died for, even for one sinner.

And so all of that is anathema to both groups, the Marxists and the Islamists.

And by the way, we're talking about Islamists and not Muslims, because I have many Muslim friends to this day.

I have been with heads of states who are Muslims, and they're probably as opposed to Islamists as much as anybody else.

Mm-hmm

... mutually incompatible, and yet perfectly aligned in these times.

Yeah.

They are, and it's for a, a mutual cause, you see? And the cause is the destruction of Western civilization, which is built, whether people believe that or not, really based on the Reformation.

And I've done a lot of study on that when I was at Emory University.

A reformation that gave us what Western civilization is, all the conveniences, all the things that we take for granted.

But they came as a result of the Reformation, and the respect of the human being, and the importance of the individual to God, and that God came and died for, even for one sinner.

And so all of that is anathema to both groups, the Marxists and the Islamists.

Mm-hmm

you know, and to that point, and I've shared this with many people, when you're looking at, you know, the truth versus a lie, the legitimate versus the illegitimate, I use the example of bank tellers, you know, with bank tellers, right? And I think you may have shared this story as well, is that when when they do their training they don't study the counterfeit they study the legitimate and i think there's relevance here because with the word of god you need to study be more study studious on the word of god which is the anchoring point the truth not all these other con you know these commentaries or these other you know worldly ideas you got to know what you're anchored in right

Absolutely, because the fake can look so real.

And as you rightly said, the training of the FBI people in the counterfeit currencies and the bankers is always know what is the correct Currency so that you immediately recognize you don't have to put it to the light You'll know it as soon as you feel it and and and I've told the story many times where a young man wanted to learn about Jade in China and they put him up with this old man and And that old man gave him a piece of jade, and he began to tell him stories and history and all kinds of things.

And the man got so frustrated a few days later, he said, I came here to learn about jade.

All these stories are not going to help me.

He said, okay.

Then he handed him a fake piece, and as soon as he thought, he said, oh, that's not jade.

Did you ever think that would happen?

Can you give us some clarity, some perspective on how you see this conflict playing out and what is the right course of action for the next months or years ahead?

Yeah, I honestly believe that there are five million people converted to Christ in Iran now because of all of this going on.

And our president, you know, I love President Trump, I love his policies, but I think we need to be decisive with these people.

You can't negotiate with these 12 Shiites.

The 12 Shiites have been waiting for the 12 Shiites who disappeared a thousand years ago to show up in order to bring the chaos in the world and bring peace.

And so they want to create chaos.

They don't negotiate.

How has that happened? What has brought about what you've described as this red-green convergence?

Can you give us some clarity, some perspective on how you see this conflict playing out and what is the right course of action for the next months or years ahead?

Yeah, I honestly believe that there are five million people converted to Christ in Iran now because of all of this going on.

And our president, you know, I love President Trump, I love his policies, but I think we need to be decisive with these people.

You can't negotiate with these 12 Shiites.

The 12 Shias have been waiting for the 12 Shias who disappeared a thousand years ago to show up in order to bring the chaos in the world and bring peace.

And so they want to create chaos.

They don't negotiate.

How has that happened? What has brought about what you've described as this red-green convergence?

Can you give us some clarity, some perspective on how you see this conflict playing out and what is the right course of action for the next months or years ahead?

Yeah, I honestly believe that there are five million people converted to Christ in Iran now because of all of this going on.

And our president, you know, I love President Trump, I love his policies, but I think we need to be decisive with these people.

You can't negotiate with these 12 Shiites.

The 12 Shias have been waiting for the 12 Shias who disappeared a thousand years ago to show up in order to bring the chaos in the world and bring peace.

And so they want to create chaos.

They don't negotiate.

How has that happened? What has brought about what you've described as this red-green convergence? Yes.

Can you give us some clarity, some perspective on how you see this conflict playing out and what is the right course of action for the next months or years ahead?

Yeah, I honestly believe that there are five million people converted to Christ in Iran now because of all of this going on.

And our president, you know, I love President Trump, I love his policies, but I think we need to be decisive with these people.

You can't negotiate with these 12 Shiites.

The 12 Shias have been waiting for the 12 Shias who disappeared a thousand years ago to show up in order to bring the chaos in the world and bring peace.

And so they want to create chaos.

They don't negotiate.

How has that happened? What has brought about what you've described as this red-green convergence? Yes.

It reminds me of that passage in scripture where Jesus says the things of the world hate the things of God, and you have a secular ideology in Islam, both of the world, mutually incompatible and yet perfectly aligned in these times.

Yeah, they are, and it's for a mutual cause, you see, and the cause is the destruction of Western civilization, which is built on whether people believe that or not, really based on the Reformation.

It's the Reformation that gave, and I've done a lot of study on that when I was at Emory University, a Reformation that gave us what Western civilization is, all the conveniences, all the things that we take for granted.

But they came as a result of the Reformation.

And the respect of the human being and the importance of the individual to God and that God came and died for even for one sinner.

And so all of that is anathema to both groups, the Marxists and the the Islamists.

And by the way, we're talking about Islamists and not Muslims because I have many Muslim friends to this day.

the radicalization.

Yeah,

they are, and it's for a mutual cause, you see, and the cause is the destruction of Western civilization, which is built on whether people believe that or not, really based on the Reformation.

It's the Reformation that gave, and I've done a lot of study on that when I was at Emory University, a Reformation that gave us what Western civilization is, all the conveniences, all the things that we take for granted.

But they came as a result of the Reformation and the respect of the human being and the importance of the individual to God and that God came and died even for one sinner.

And so all of that is anathema to both groups, the Marxists and the Islamists.

And by the way, we're talking about Islamists and not Muslims because I have many Muslim friends to this day.

I have been with heads of states who are Muslims.

that the Muslim Brotherhood does

Yeah,

they are, and it's for a mutual cause, you see, and the cause is the destruction of Western civilization, which is built on whether people believe that or not, really based on the Reformation.

It's the Reformation that gave, and I've done a lot of study on that when I was at Emory University, a Reformation that gave us what Western civilization is, all the conveniences, all the things that we take for granted.

But they came as a result of the Reformation and the respect of the human being and the importance of the individual to God and that God came and died even for one sinner.

And so all of that is anathema to both groups, the Marxists and the Islamists.

And by the way, we're talking about Islamists and not Muslims because I have many Muslim friends to this day.

I have been with heads of states who are Muslims.

that the

Can you give us some clarity, some perspective on how you see this conflict playing out and what is the right course of action for the next months or years ahead? Sure.

Yeah, I honestly believe that there are five million people converted to Christ in Iran now because of all of this going on.

And our president, you know, I love President Trump, I love his policies, but I think we need to be decisive with these people.

You can't negotiate with these 12 Shiites.

The 12 Shias have been waiting for the 12 Shias who disappeared a thousand years ago to show up in order to bring the chaos in the world and bring peace.

And so they want to create chaos.

They don't negotiate.

How has that happened? What has brought about what you've described as this red-green convergence?

Within six months of the Ayatollah coming to power, most of the Marxists and socialists had either been killed or fled.

Exactly.

And that is the convenience of this unholy alliance, is they try to use each other.

They're wary of each other.

They hate each other.

But they kind of said, OK, I'll tolerate you in order to accomplish what I really want to accomplish.

See, that happened even before the Ayatollah.

But what can people do? What should people know to do to push

Within six months of the Ayatollah coming to power, most of the Marxists and socialists had either been killed or fled.

Exactly.

And that is the convenience of this unholy alliance, is they try to use each other.

They're wary of each other.

They hate each other.

But they kind of said, OK, I'll tolerate you in order to accomplish what I really want to accomplish.

See, that happened even before the Ayatollah.

But what can people do? What should people know to do to push

Why would Jesus be talking about his return to first century people outside of Jerusalem?

Well, of course, he knew that those words are going to be recorded by the disciples and not only believed and followed, but also passed on to the next generation.

If you remember, Paul was looking forward to the parousia.

Then toward the end of his life, he said, Timothy, now you look forward to the parousia.

You may see it.

And then what we learn is that for every generation from that time on must look forward to the parousia, to this return of Christ.

And so our Lord leaving us a legacy for our generation because, as I said, he has, in answering the question, he talks about two events.

a Christian school,

Wow.

And tipped the balance.

And so it's happening now.

We're seeing it with our own eyes.

We don't have to look back at history in Lebanon or Egypt or anywhere else.

We're seeing it before our own eyes.

In England, 20 years ago, I pointed out to the leaders, uh, in the United Kingdom, I was speaking to really key, key leaders, and I showed them 20 years ago how they're gonna take over England, and they kinda looked at me and said, "Well, now, you know, we're England." I said, "Okay." 20 years later, it's happening exactly.

Wow

and

he will he will rise and he will basically bring a victory to islam all over the world and so forth so that is the twelfth verse now the sunnis From which, you know, all the Arabia and the Gulf and the rest of the Arab world, they don't buy into that.

That's not their theology, if you use the word.

And so Iran, the reason Iran is trying to create this chaos to force the 12th Shia caliphate to show up.

And force his hand, as it were, because he's not going to show up unless there is total chaos in the world.

And so that's part of their theology.

That's part of their doctrine.

And

Let's listen together to Leading the Way.

Some of you might have seen this commercial on television and is run by one of the mainline denominations, and it is designed-- the commercial is designed to invite all people of all kinds to come to their churches.

So far, so good.

Church must always be welcoming of everybody.

But then the commercial concludes by saying something to the effect that God is diversity and diversity is God.

But what's this all about? I mean, what is happening here? For the past twenty years or so, there has been a phenomena that is sweeping through the older denominations in America.

Namely, that the gospel of diversity of belief, now you must understand now, I'm not saying diversity of people, but diversity of belief has eclipsed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

... where do you come down on this debate?

Well, uh, thank you, Steve.

As you know, I've written a lot of books on the subject, from The Third Jihad to The, uh, uh, Hidden Enemy and, and many more, and I'm writing another one now.

But look, both are right.

(laughs) Um, I was asked by a very prominent person back in the '80s during the Iran-Iraq War, and I'm not going to mention names, and they said, "If you're sitting in my place, uh, which one do you support?" I said, "I supply arms to both of them." Well, he looked at me and he said, "I thought you were a reverend." (laughs) I said, "Well, what does that got to do with it? You asked me a political diplomatic question and I gave you a truthful answer." Because in reality, neither the Shiite nor the Sunnis, uh, and there are extremists in both sides, and when it comes to the West, they would unite in a heartbeat in order to destroy Western civilization.

And so, let's, you know, I mean, I am all for the destruction of, of, uh, the Iran nuclear weapons, but what about the Islamists who are rising in Europe?... and they are determined to bring the Sharia, to Texas even, and to parts of the United States.

And so we got a much bigger picture, much bigger problem.

Mm-hmm.