What else are you doing?

So, like, there's a, there's a lot of my patients that I go to just because of the, the cohort of patients I typically roll out to.

So, uh, and you can get really good information, but it may be, how do you say, like, loosely disguised in other long-winded ex- explanations.

So, like, we've got those, those, those kind of key processes, like, we can use, like, something like Socrates, you know? Or, um, there's lots of different ways to go around, like, we have more directive, getting them to go back to it and doing those ele- elements, and then demonstrating that active learn- uh, listening to them.

So, like, you may...

And I have had to say this, and it's something I learned recently was like, "Uh, I, I understand what you're saying, but I just want you to go back and talk to me about this specifically", and giving them that option then to answer that question.

So I will sit quietly, I will show all my active listening skills, I'll make sure that they feel engaged with, um, you know, I'm not gonna be distracted by other things.

Take, take me through your goal-directed practice of, okay, like, how am I gonna get to, like, what is actually happening to this person with what I have right now?