How do you feel?

Well, it's bittersweet for me, to be honest.

I mean, I was hoping for a bigger percentage in favor of Alberta independence.

I was thinking after I talked to some people, you know, maybe 35%, even possibly 40%, like a lot of people weren't expecting to win outright.

But we thought that if at least we got a very large percentage that that would send a stronger message to Ottawa.

So, so with 25%, you know, was a disappointment to me in that sense.

And I wish it was bigger, but on the other hand, you know, as you mentioned, this was a, a dream for me.

Can you tell me about your prediction? Do you still feel this way? What do you mean when you say that our political culture has changed?

I'm just saying, like, when you come back to what, you know, you talking and writing about this and staring at this for longer than me, what have you noticed or seen change?

Well, like, there's a lot more credibility for the movement now than there was before.

Like, I actually originally got involved as a teenager in the early 1980s.

And actually, that was the first time there was any bit of credibility.

I mean, before the National Energy Program, the idea of Alberta Independence was completely a fringe movement.

And then with the National Energy Program, for the first time, you have respectable people being interested in the idea and potentially supporting the idea.

And of course, we had that MLA getting elected in Olds Didsbury in February 1982 for Western Canada Concept Party, the only time an independence supporter has been elected in Western Canada.

You've got Mulroney deciding to move the airline manufacturing from... manitoba to fucking quebec like this is there's just been a an ongoing series of people on the conservative side who have left us high and dry when push came to shove

Vad är grejen?"

Ja, nej men jag är ju lite förvånad för att jag, jag ser ju på reaktionerna i vårt eget kommentarsfält då på, på, på sportbladet punkt se i, i min mailkorg och lite grann på, på Twitter och så vidare.

Att ja, det var inga jättehyllningar, men det var väldigt mycket positiva reaktioner på den här intervjun.

Och, och jag, jag tycker att det är lite förvånande för att i mina ögon så är det en ganska basic intervju, ganska grundläggande.

Det är, det är tio frågor om aktuella ämnen som berör IF Göteborg just nu.

Eh, och min ambition var ju inte att göra en ansvarsutkrävande intervju med Jesper Jansson där man berör de här kanske tio aktuella frågorna och sen så pumpar man på med två, tre följdfrågor på varje fråga.

Därför att dels så kanske det blir svårt att få till den intervjun i slutändan och dessutom blir textlängden alldeles för lång.

Vad hade du för känsla när du lämnade?

Uh, uh, give us a sense of a few things that you're really proud of with respect to CareNew England.

So Care...

When I came on board in 2022, and you know this 'cause Becker's has reported on this pretty extensively, is CareNew England had been in merger discussions for at least 10 years with somebody.

Um, uh, and I won't name all the organizations, but literally it was a revolving door of multiple different organizations, and there was a belief that CareNew England had to merge with somebody else in order to be sustainable.

And when I was hired, the, the prior CEO was stepping down and retiring, uh, the board chair and I, uh, chatted, and he goes, "Here's the deal.

Uh, we're interested in you, but we, we're not interested in re-engaging in merger discussions." And I said, "That's fine.

I think this organization is very sustainable, but it needs discipline.

And, and talk about when you look at the next year coming up, uh, Dr. Wagner, what are you most focused on and excited about?

Der Mikrobiologe ist Professor an der Universität Wien und wissenschaftlicher Direktor des Exzellenzclusters Microbiomes Drive Planetary Health, der vom Wissenschaftsfonds FWF gefördert wird.

Unsere Erde ist der Planet der Mikroben.

Die waren natürlich hier schon, die haben diese Erde besiedelt vor allen anderen Lebewesen, hunderten Millionen Jahren vor allen anderen Lebewesen, haben alle Nischen gefüllt, die da verfügbar waren, haben erst den Sauerstoff erzeugt, dann hat er sich der Sauerstoff langsam angesammelt in der Atmosphäre.

Also alle mit Sauerstoff atmenden Lebewesen konnten auch erst entstehen auf der Erde durch die Aktivität von Mikroben.

Und noch heute ist jeder zweite Atemzug, den wir nehmen, atmen wir den Sauerstoff nicht von Pflanzen ein, sondern atmen, den Pflanzen produziert haben, sondern wir atmen den Sauerstoff ein, den Mikroben produziert haben.

Das heißt, die haben die Erde besiedelt, sie haben die Lebensbedingungen auf der Erde fundamental verändert.

Durch diese Sauerstoffproduktion zum Beispiel ist auch erst die Ozonschicht entstanden, die dann das Besiedeln der Erdoberfläche auch erst ermöglicht hat, weil vorher war ja die UV-Strahlung viel zu stark, um die Erdoberfläche besiedeln zu können.

Gleichzeitig wird daran gearbeitet, auch Pflanzen mit nützlichen Mikroorganismen auszustatten oder Böden widerstandsfähiger zu machen.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, actually, for me, it goes back to the early 1980s when I was a teenager.

And when Pierre Trudeau brought in the National Energy Program, like I was growing up in Calgary and I was in high school at that time.

So my family wasn't directly affected by the NEP because my dad wasn't in the oil industry.

But a lot of the people in our community would have been directly affected.

But I'm not sure, like I can't explain it completely rationally, but something triggered me about my community being under attack.

And so... that's when the first major independence organizations were started, West Fed under Elmer Knudsen, and then the Western Canada Concept Party of Alberta, which became more famous.

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