So take me back to the beginnings of how you got into that.

So I was little Michael.

I went to the UK to study.

And while I was a student, I noticed that People my age or even younger, they were speaking about starting companies, selling them, a few of them actually sold them.

And here I was, I was like, what the hell are they talking about? You know, here I am, I'm a student and these people seem that they know what they're doing.

So I started tapping into the entrepreneurial networks in London and then Cambridge and started meeting people, started to understand what they were doing, how they were doing it, and realized that it all boils down to one word, ecosystem.

Meaning different actors, each one playing their role, whether they're investing, starting something, accelerating things, or being in the core of it all and promoting it, you know, and I got fascinated on how this worked and having being extensively involved in those ecosystems and being fortunate enough to get to meet some people there like Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn and others, and get their perspectives even for a few minutes.

yeah and and uh so what happened then then those 15 20 years ago what what what did you guys decided to do and and and why and what what what did you guys manage to do and what did you guys did not manage to do