Did you hop into a band and then become serious, or was it like you were doing your own thing first and then...

So I've always done bands, like little side projects and stuff.

Nothing that really took off, mostly because we didn't put in the legwork and...

So in 2000, I believe it was 2000, I had an artist, Ethan Mark.

He came in to record some music with me.

Talented kid.

I think he was like 18 or something like that.

absolutely man now the tours that you guys have been doing when did it become feasible to be able to start doing it