You were about to say, so those who were in Christ, what did you say?

Right.

So when you die, if you love the Lord, if you know the Lord, your spirit goes straight to heaven, but there's still a future resurrection.

Like your eternal future is not a disembodied experience in a spiritual place called heaven.

Your eternal future is physical on a renewed heaven and and earth.

So in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Well, at the end of the age, he's going to recreate the heavens and the earth.

In Revelation 7, who are the 144,000?

Is this a literal death and resurrection? Is this figurative? Why is Revelation using this sort of language? Um, using some of the hermeneutical keys that you gave us in how to read the Book of Revelation, like, h- how are we to interpret it?

Yeah.

Well, first of all, [chuckles] even in answering that, we have to look at, uh, some people...

There, there are even multiple versions of a literal interpretation, right? So some will say that it's a literal human being who dies and rises again.

Others will say, "Well, hey, beast is the normal image in scripture," especially Daniel 7, of empire, of the kingdom of man.

And so there's going to be a literal kingdom that dies and rises again.

Uh, so for instance, the, uh, Islamic antichrist, uh, the, the, uh, the theory goes like this, that, uh, that the Ottoman Empire died in I think it was, like, the 1400s or something like that.

Is it possible that this could culminate in a Nero or it could culminate in a Nero-esque figure like a Mahdi, et cetera, et cetera?