So Mick, talk to me about how you think about it predominantly yourself, or for the clinic owners, what do you hear commonly?

Yeah, I think what Jack just touched on is super important, and that would be a great goal or action from this podcast, is to think about your definition.

No responsibility and lots of time is not the formula for a healthy human.

And I wonder if you can get more time and more responsibility, that, that might be an ultimate goal.

Four years in, I retired from everything and became an Uber driver, and I wasn't that happy.

[chuckles] So, so I got a lot of time and less responsibility, and that-- I'm happier now with more responsibility and more time.

Um, that's very high level.

What would happen? What needs to be true in order to make one day a week, for instance, true?