Okay.

Went through the traditional route.

When I became more interested in spirituality when I was in college in Oklahoma, it was mainly through Zen practice.

And then, you know, jumping ahead after two years of college was right at that peak time of the end of the Vietnam War.

And I was...

Pretty radical on the Oklahoma campus.

And then when things started to quiet down, I realized, oh, it's time for me to move on, even though I didn't really make much progress in my college studies.

Like, how does that benefit a Catholic from your perspective?