Yeah.

He's very progressive.

Um, and same old thing, he's got great ethics and he sets a standard, and I try and, and so does my father, try and get on the back of that and build.

And then there's, the-- I've been very blessed to have a lot of good auctioneers around me and help.

But Peter Etheridge, Paul Dooley, Patrick Purtle, um, and just probably haven't had too much mentorship, but watching Mark Garland at Dubbo, like he could sell In excess of 2,000 cattle a week.

Um, sell 5- th- four or 5,000 lambs and 3 or 4,000 sheep a week.

So again, watching that bloke operate the way he does, it's, um, you're always picking things up.

Yeah.