Was you like that when you were working for Tap and what have you?

Well, I, um, I, I always loved, I was always sort of quite sort of entrepreneurial.

Um, loved that at school, loved that at uni.

Um, and so I've always felt like I, I would want to own my own business at some point.

Didn't really know what that would look like, but you're absolutely right.

When you're running a desk, any sort of junior or senior consultant, you, you've gotta run it like your own business.

Like, the more you put in, the more you get out.

So, so what are your plans for the future then with the business? Do, do you have maybe like a five-year plan or anything like that?