Michael Patrick Hearn is the author of The Annotated Wizard of Oz.

She'd be reading these various treatises and she made sure he read them as well.

You find in her controversial book, Woman, Church and State, she talks about witches and she said a witch is just a wise woman.

She is good or bad depending upon how she uses her knowledge.

Are you

I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas.

And that goes to Matilda Jocelyn Gage.

So good and wicked witches.

Michael Patrick Hearn is the author of The Annotated Wizard of Oz.

She'd be r- reading these various treatises, and she made sure he read them as well.

You, you find in her controversial book, Woman, Church, and State, she talks about witches, and she said, "A witch is just a wise woman.

She is good or bad depending upon how she uses her knowledge." And-

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And, uh, that, that goes to Matilda Joslyn Gage.

So good and wicked witches, she defines that in that book.

You know, instead of patriarchy, we have a matriarchy, and Baum created one in the second Oz book, The Land of Oz, where he restores the proper ruler of Oz, Ozma, a, a little girl, as ruler of the Kingdom of Oz.

So what, what led to that?

Well, um, the children's librarians at the time were progressives, and their, their primary interest was in teaching rather than entertaining.

So the books had to either preach or they had to provide some sort of a lesson, uh, oh, but they didn't have fantasy.

They, they didn't believe in, certainly not an American fantasy, an American fairyland.

That was, that was considered outrageous, even to think about such a thing.

The fairytales, they thought the fairytales from Europe were just fine.

Who needed an American fairyland? And so there was a lot of, uh, resistance to the books by, by many of the, uh, leading, uh, children's librarians at the time.

Well, first of all, Mickey, you've made me really think differently about The Wizard of Oz, but it is such a perfect analogy, that Trump is like the Wizard, who doesn't have actual powers and pretends he does.