What are you doing here at Essen this year? Because you've got like 20 games coming out.

No, no, no, just seven.

Just seven.

We have one reprint and seven new games we have.

And we are very happy with it.

Normally we have four.

two or maybe three new games in Essen and I'm here to sign some games of them and of course to pitch some new games in meetings.

So as a gamer, what are you interested in

What came first, the dream of owning a shop or designing games?

Well, when I was 18, both of...

I had no dream in, in this direction.

Um, not the one or not the other.

Um, it was just having fun with games and board games and I, I, uh, founded a, a, a little circle at the university to, to play board games and so on.

Um, but then we just thought it would be nice to have a, a shop for comics and games in Constance, because in every other, um, city with a lot of students like Freiburg and Karlsruhe and Tubingen, there was already a shop, but not in Constance.

So we opened it with four, four young men opened it.

First of all, how did you get the contract to design the game?

Do those feelings change when you're stood in this room now?

N- no, no. It's, it's a great honor that I'm here, uh, with Lucas, uh, that our game is one of the three which is nominated.

Um, of course, it would be great if we win, but it's also a great life if we don't win.

Do you think it's important for Boss Fight to win to sort of rehabilitate this style of game?

I don't know.

If, if the jury thinks it's, it's the best game, it would be great, but I don't think so, that it's necessary because it has an app.

Um, we try to f- to, to put in the, the app, uh, in a, in a m- perfect way, but that's it, uh, what we, what we were trying.

And the jury has to, has to select if it's, if it's good enough.

A hero.

A, an hero, right, so I could play, for example, the troll druid or the troll magician or the halfling, uh, rogue, and we are playing together.

And of course, boss fighters, we are fighting against a boss.

We have 10 bosses inside the, the app, and, um, more will come.

And we had, for example, a, a Christmas boss for six weeks and a Easter, an Easter egg, uh, boss [laughs] for six weeks.

And then we are playing against it, and we, the, uh, cards we are playing, we are scanning, um, that the app knows what we played.

So the main factor is that the, the app knows it and reacts of our, and reacts to our, to our actions.

Sure