[upbeat music] So Michael, first off, tell us what led us here.

So what we know is that the Police Minister, Mark Mitchell, received information about two complaints relating to two separate women who were making allegations against our Police Commissioner, Richard Chambers.

Now, Mitchell's office has told me that the first complaint was received on the 21st of November last year, and then there was another complaint, and that was received on the 1st of February this year.

Now both those complaints, Mitchell says, were then referred to the IPCA and the Police Integrity Unit.

Now, it's unclear precisely when the IPCA or the National Integrity Unit at Police began their investigations proper into each of these complaints, um, how far along they are or when they might reach a conclusion, but given these complaints are still being investigated, it would be safe to assume that they have not been substantiated, um, at this time.

And so what we now have is a situation where the various, um, public agencies who are overseeing this investigation, um, and including the minister's office, are essentially shutting down.

They're not wanting to talk about this.

I understand that that was, what, April?

Tell me about that.

Yeah, so this uh, bill uh, now essentially being dumped, uh, or being dead in the water has, uh, kind of, it's ki- kind of been a bit of a slow burn.

A f- few weeks ago, I broke a story, um, here at the New Zealand Herald that within this, uh, proposed amendment bill, uh, commercial fishermen were going to be able to retain and sell tiny baby snapper.

So the current rules dictate that if a commercial skipper lands a, a snapper, for example, and it's under 23 centimeters, which is still tiny, uh, they must return it to the sea.

Now, Jones said that, "Well, look, that, that resource should be used," um, and there's some arguments for and against that.

Uh, a- and so he wanted it to allow those commercial fishermens to bring them back and, um, and sell them.

There was obviously a deep concern that that could create a market overseas or even locally, uh, for tiny little fish.

Do you think that it's embarrassing for Shane Jones on the most part, but also l- National and Act that have let it kind of get through this far without interfering too much?

I mean, you sound pretty fed up yourself.

Well, it just drives me a bit nuts.

Um, you know, we have, uh, these two bodies in New Zealand.

One is called Medsafe, um, that is essentially the safety regulator for drugs and medications and, um, herbal remedies, et cetera.

And then you've got Pharmac, which is the government's bu- drug buying agency.

So, you know, I've, I've, I've, I've spoken to both of those agencies and, you know, the Medsafe has told me that, you know, it reviewed, um, [lips smack] uh, uh, did an initial assessment, initial assessment, um, earlier this year, um, of this drug called Beyfortus, and they have then gone back to the company, back to, um, Beyfortus to ask it some additional questions before deciding, uh, whether or not it, um, will approve the drug.

Now, the, the thing that gets me about that is that, you know, what additional questions are being asked when we know there has been published material backing the efficiency of this drug.

Like, walk me through how that feels seeing that.

A- and so what, what's this about this covert charter flight? How did you find out about it, first and foremost?

Yeah, so this, uh, information, uh, came to me from a source of mine, and essentially it is a private Facebook message, uh, sent by Greyhound Racing New Zealand, which is the overseeing body of the sport in New Zealand, and they wrote it to trainers and owners and essentially said, "Hey, guys, look, we have secured a charter plane," and encouraged, uh, trainers and owners to consider putting breeding bitches and, uh, stud dogs on the plane so that they can continue to, quote, "realize their potential in the racing sphere in Australia." Um, this of course comes in the context of, uh, everything coming to a close in New Zealand, and the plan for the charter flight is that it would leave, um, early August, so, uh, right after this ban takes effect or, um, you know, around, uh, that time.

Of course, Greyhound Racing New Zealand CEO Edward Rennell is saying that, look, this is, uh, still being worked out, the finer details haven't been worked out.

He is not saying that there is anything covert or secret about this.

Uh, this, uh, is how, uh, some people, including the Greyhound Protection League, have described it.

And the reason they are saying it is a covert charter flight to get dogs out of New Zealand and into Australia is because this note, uh, which I have in front of me here, uh, says, uh, v- very clearly, "Please keep this information confidential." So it's a private Facebook note to trainers and owners, uh, offering up this trip and registering their interest in the trip, um, and saying, "Keep this information confidential." So, uh, that's why some are saying this is secret.

Um, Edward Rennell pushing back on that and saying, "Well, no, it's not."

How many do we know? I mean, it'll be thousands, it'll be hundreds, but I've seen, you know, 1,500 to, like, 2,900 or something, right?

Michael, what do we know about those who are trapped?

Well, at this stage, as you've said, you've got the six who... are confirmed as being buried beneath this huge landslide.

There are another three people who police are still trying to reach.

They say it's unlikely that they are buried beneath the landslide, but they are still trying to contact them to rule it out.

What they're trying to do is go through a list of all the people who may have checked into this camping ground and ensure that they did indeed leave and are not buried beneath the rubble.

But look, this is a constant and ongoing and fluid rescue operation.

According to emergency staff, there are diggers and trucks going in and out.

But did anyone official actually know about how bad that situation was in order to be able to warn people?