Michael remembered first meeting Kathy on the set of the film Centrifold Fever, in which they both appeared.

Pretty much everybody in the business, from the New York end of the business, was in that film.

She was, I'd say, if I remember correctly, about 5'6", maybe 5'7".

Very pretty.

Her face and her eyes were the things that really attracted me.

I mean, the body was incredible.

But it was her face.

You saw her at Bernard's with this guy from Staten Island?

Why do you think AI is different?

Because AI is having a real impact right now, and there's an efficiency piece of AI that those other pieces of tech- technology alone could not deliver.

You're right on the money with blockchain.

It had such promise 10 years ago when we were first talking about it, but it required everyone to adopt it.

There is a, a, a, a drive by businesses, governments, and individuals to use AI, so it's actually being deployed and having an impact now, and that's, that's one of the pieces.

But the other piece which is sometimes overlooked, it is the trade and the component parts of AI that is also driving trade, and it is the data that require, that AI requires to deliver that is also driving trade.

And it's the regulations around that which is possibly changing trading patterns and the energy to drive the data centers, to drive the data trade via.

Does that mean that we will see some of the alternative routes that were put in place, um, some of the workarounds stay? How do you expect supply chains to change coming out of the conflict?

Yeah

... at scale.

Um, and there really wasn't, uh, not in the ways that I imagined it.

There were other companies that were out there that were doing kind of subsets of it or what may be called partial autonomy.

Uh, but nothing that I really thought, you know, did the things that I wanted it to do.

Um, and so I dallied a bit.

I went to go see how other companies were run.

The environments you guys primarily operate in, downtime's super expensive, right? How does that shape the way that you design and support systems that you deploy?

Yeah.

And it seems to me that's, that's where developing the next generation of leaders always has to start.

He met me.

I was just a few years younger than him.

Uh, uh, he and I met because Sean Wright had become a charismatic.

Uh, it was the o- the oddest sort of thing that brought us together.

And, uh, and I was asking questions, and he was very helpful.

Were you gonna say anything else, Michael, that you-

Yeah.

It's a great question.

C- uh, conversion is a word that, that we're all familiar with.

I mean, conversion just means changing from one thing to another thing.

So we convert currency, you know, from dollars to pounds or pounds to dollars.

Uh, people convert from being Republicans to Democrats or Democrats to Republican.

I have family members who have converted to vegetarianism.

So why did you do that?