How do you think about our relationship at an ideological level to the states?

Well, I, I think that states themselves...

I mean, I, I s- I go back, and we can talk a little bit more about this later when we talk about the, the journal itself.

The title of our current issue is Double Security, which comes right out of Federalist 51, right? That's Madison's discussion of, of power and his vision of how states, the role of states in the constitutional system.

I think I, I go back to what I said before.

I think there's an underappre- We, we don't appreciate sufficiently the opportunity for states as engines of change, right? And I think when we there...

For the reason you're, you've talked about historically, there's a tendency on the left to see federal power as the solution, to look at the history of the United States with regards to small C conservatism in a way and recognize the ways in which states have been used as a reactionary force at time, and the extent to which liberalism, contemporary liberalism, has its peak success in the aftermath of, of the New Deal and World War II, really as federal power.

So I can just actually say, "Hey, like, as a center-left liberal, how do I feel about the Iraq War and why it would make someone who is skeptical of America's invol-involvement in the world skeptical of us remaining in NATO?" That's, uh, that's something that I think about in that context.