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always refer to it here at Basis as we punish our great performers by taking them out of their zones of excellence and genius and putting them into management.

And what happens to me, what I witness is when people are coming up through their career, they have other people to look to to see how a job is done.

And so when I came in as an analyst on Wall Street, there was a whole program around how to do my analytical job.

And then I stepped into an associate role and then I stepped into a manager title, but I didn't manage anyone.

And all throughout there, there were these pools of people around me at the office to show me how to use the tools that were in front of me, to show me other examples of how people did the work.

And then I think you reach this point in your career, and instead of giving people those same sorts of tools, they say, now you go manage people and just go do it.

How do you talk about that period now in a way that is honest without letting it become the whole story?