Michael Hamlin
American former American football player
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Jul 4, 2026
England at Mexico '86 40 years on - Qualification (Part 1)
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Stephen ToplissHOST
And when you look back on this period, it is one of the darkest periods in English football history, isn't it, Michael? And even looking back now on what happens and what happens in such a short space of time, it's quite an upsetting, quite a shocking period.

Michael HamlinGUEST
It's definitely, as you say, everything seems to happen, you know, literally almost every week in that period, something else seems to happen.

Michael HamlinGUEST
And, you know, it obviously starts off with, with what happened at Kenilworth Road, which obviously is live on TV.

Michael HamlinGUEST
And then, you know, that's, you know, I think that's the, you know, that's really when you start getting Margaret Thatcher and all those, all the politicians get involved in trying to clear it all up.

Michael HamlinGUEST
And then, of course, you have the fire, which is obviously nothing to do with hooliganism.

Michael HamlinGUEST
It's just another issue of the English game with stadiums that are falling apart.

Michael HamlinGUEST
And, you know, you've either got crumbling stadiums, or in this case, you've got a wooden stand with, Loads of rubbish that's never been cleared up for years and years and years.

Stephen ToplissHOST
Michael, can you just tell us a little bit of background as to why the Rouse Cup was established and also what happened to ensure that England and Scotland continue to play an annual fixture at this time?