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Michael Hallsworth
Chief Behavioral Scientist and author at the Behavioural Insights Team (BIT), creator of the EAST framework and of "The Hypocrisy Trap."
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Jun 29, 2026
Are we all AI hypocrites?
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Aleks KrotoskiHOST
What are the sorts of rationalizations that you're aware of that people use to justify their own AI use while at the same time condemning other people for doing the same? So yeah, I mean, the
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20:22Michael HallsworthGUEST
If there's even a bit of wiggle room, we tend to judge it less harshly.
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Aleks KrotoskiHOST
To what degree is our response to this sort of hypocrisy, this double standard, a response to the fact that it has been foisted upon us by this small group of people who hold so much power within Silicon Valley and over the AI industry?
Interview: Michael Hallsworth, creator of the EAST framework, on what really changes behavior
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8:52Can you take us through the four key principles of the framework and explain why you chose these specific areas?
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9:10Michael HallsworthGUEST
It can be a question of just removing the friction involved in, uh, performing a behavior.
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9:20Michael HallsworthGUEST
We tend to asti-- we tend to underestimate the extent to which just even a small reduction in effort can make the difference between someone doing something or not.
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9:28Michael HallsworthGUEST
So, um, you know, there are studies showing that just in helping university students, uh, to complete their applications increased attendance rates from twenty-eight percent to thirty-six percent.
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31:31How would you help those who are thinking about applying it to brands or products or, uh, or a commercial application? How, how, how can they build on this idea in those, in those spaces?
The Hidden Status Game of Hypocrisy | Michael Hallsworth
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23:34AJHOST
So what are some of those blind spots for those who might feel we're in a trust machine or, and not realize we're in a purist regime, uh, purity regime?
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23:43Michael HallsworthGUEST
Part of the thing I talk about is that organizations are trying to do lots of different things at once, and that can mean that you have some forms of inconsistency, partly because different parts of the organization are doing different things.
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23:56Michael HallsworthGUEST
Um, organizations and businesses are really in a difficult position because they have to, um, make a profit quite often, listen to their shareholders, but also they're under pressure from consumers to appear to be sticking to principles or having principles, stepping in where we think that maybe governments or others are falling short.
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24:20Michael HallsworthGUEST
And yet that kind of consistency, um-Is, is really, really, uh, unavoidable.
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24:27Michael HallsworthGUEST
Uh, and so trust in companies has really declined over the last 25 years, partly because they've been trying to reconcile these different things.
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24:36Michael HallsworthGUEST
Um, you can have, uh, the sustainability department saying, um, uh, "Return and reuse your handbags," for example.
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37:17AJHOST
It's being pointed out in, in every corner and every facet, online dating, in the news, but yet we're encountering it, and we don't have a good rubric to really measure, okay, what, what am I willing to tolerate and, and what is actually acceptable.
The Hypocrisy Trap
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2:18Michael HallsworthGUEST
Like, so with politics, we feel weird about it because the truth is in democratic societies, you know, you have to have both principles and pragmatism.
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2:30Michael HallsworthGUEST
You have to sort of give a clear message and then make some compromises to actually get things done.
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2:38Michael HallsworthGUEST
And you often hear people saying, oh, why can't people just work together and get things done? But also why can't people stand up for our principles? So we want it both ways in our politics as well.
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2:52Michael HallsworthGUEST
And then we get annoyed with politicians when they don't, you know, make the two contradictory things work together.

Sean MoncrieffHOST
other way and that we ordinary punters kind of make it impossible for people we vote for or celebrities or even each other to