It's like, as a founder, How do you maintain resilience and adaptability in the face of setbacks and obstacles? And what advice would you give other founders, especially from the lens of when is quitting the right strategy?

Yeah, no, for sure.

So I think quitting is the right strategy.

I can maybe start there.

Quitting is the right strategy.

I think when you're at a point where you've tried all the things that you want to try or that you think could possibly work with the product that you're trying or the thing you're trying to solve for, and you're just not seeing what you want to see.

At that point, I think It's either quitting to pivot to like a totally different idea or totally different business or quitting to say, look, I'm going to focus on something else, right? I'm going to do something else.

And I know you've got a bunch of examples, but I'd love to hear about just some of your favorite examples of seeing success in others and like how the EIR role allowed you to participate in some amazing stories that you were more involved with, but like not directly inside of.