Looking forward to the conversation.

Yeah, great.

And I appreciate being on all that, you know, nicety stuff.

I'm looking at the screen, you know, and I hope that everybody can see that.

But, you know, DEF CON zero, unfiltered, uncensored, unfolding.

Just before I came in here to, you know, we were having a conversation, Josh, I sent a note to a friend of mine about something totally separate.

but um what it really has to do with is the truth right and i always tell people that there's three sides of the truth there's what i believe my side there's what you believe your side and then there's the actual truth and i think what we are struggling in this country to get to is what is the truth what like you know alpha you mentioned you know before we came on about artificial intelligence or super intel whatever we're going to call it right i don't really care but What I care about is people knowing the impacts of things that are going to impact our lives.

How does Trump navigate that?

Thank you for joining us.

John, thank you so much for having me and everything that the, that, you know, Trump's government transparency task force is doing.

And it's just a, it's, you know, this is a long time in coming.

And I just listened into your, your opening there, John.

And I, again, I appreciate what you're doing.

I appreciate the fact that, that president Trump for your audience and for any audience, president Trump is determined to get to the bottom of all this.

And I know it's, been a long time in coming.

Had you had these notes, had you had the 302, would you have ever agreed to the plea deal if you knew this evidence?

Yes

... and I've probably been one of those people out there calling for accountability on a daily basis, but it, it is coming.

And I'm glad you mentioned the grand jury under Jody Genova down at Fort Pierce.

That is, that is, uh, you know, full speed ahead.

I think what I've seen today in the social media world, John, is that there's a lot of people that have said, "You know, well, we, this is stuff we already knew." Actually, there, there is a lot of new information that I was not aware of.

So there's a lot of ...

Like, Joe Pientka's notes, as an example, who was one of the two FBI agents that came in and, uh, and interviewed me when I was the sitting national security advisor, I've never seen those notes.

Had you had these notes, had you had the 302, would you have ever, uh, agreed to the plea deal if you knew this evidence?

What are the some of the most prominent funding and financing mechanisms that government leaders, whether city or elsewhere, should be considering to plug into this massive funding gap?

Yeah.

Bill, like, the n- the numbers are, you know, estimated at least 5 trillion a year to catch up, you know, keep up with the infrastructure need, and that's for the next 20, 30 years.

So it's hundreds of trillions of dollars all around the world.

If you take that 5 trillion a year, at best public sector can fill about 50% of that Right? That's at best.

Um, and, and it's probably a higher number than five, right? So, so you've got to bring private capital in in order to fill that gap.

We've talked about it for years.

What are some other ways of closing that gap, and then what do government leaders need to do to get the risk-reward incentive structures right?

What are some of the most prominent funding and financing mechanisms that government leaders, whether city or elsewhere, should be considering to plug into this massive funding gap?

Yeah, the numbers are estimated at least $5 trillion a year to keep up with the infrastructure need.

And that's for the next 20, 30 years.

So it's hundreds of trillions of dollars all around the world.

If you take that $5 trillion a year, at best, public sector can fill about 50% of that.

That's at best.

And it's probably a higher number than five.

What do government leaders need to do to get the risk, reward, and incentive structures right?

You're at the Iowa State Fair?

...

Iowa State Fair.

They're having a big old veterans parade that I was invited to, uh, be part of, so I'm here.

And, uh, it's a beautiful day.

I mean, it's a absolutely gorgeous day.

It, it, they're expecting somewhere close to 200,000 people to attend today, so pretty cool.

So [laughs] what, you know?

Now, as we are at this stage of the game, I really wanted to ask you, what has surprised you most about how things have gone, or has this been what you've expected?

Well, I think that this is what I've expected, Matt.

And the reason why, you know, I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and I spent a lot of time at U.S. Central Command, which is the military command executing the war.

And and also having been in the Middle East quite a bit and actually spent three years of my life in the wars there in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I dealt with a lot of the leadership of al-Qaeda and ISIS in negotiations that we had with them to try to get them to come to our side, to try to work with us at times.

So I have that background and that level of experience.

I mean, we're talking about nation states now that are involved in negotiations.

Is that the policy outgrowth of your observations?

Is there high unemployment now?

High unemployment.

Uh, wages are very, very low.

Um, but, you know, and the, the, the dole here is, is, it barely, it's, it's enough to keep you alive.

Um, you're not gonna be throwing any mad parties or, you know.

Um, so it's, yeah, everybody's watching their jobs.

It's really, like, even if I wanted to get a job or, you know, you, they wouldn't even entertain you because it's Spanish first and then-

Yeah, and what's forecast for the day?

All right.

Just something I decided.

They probably put that on my grave.

Anyway, I started talking to Paul and Paul was telling me about social media and the benefits of it.

So I said, OK, let me think about something, Paul.

So I met him the next week.

I said, I have an idea.

And was that then with the vans then as well? Or did that come later then when you were putting the picture on the van and kind of parking it and getting clamped?

Mm.

I can't say it any more clearly than that.

And it was led by a group of people, principally, uh, Obama, uh, Barack Obama, former president of the United States, two terms, uh, was, was, you know, he was right at the forefront of it.

Uh, they, they tried in 2016.

They, uh, they, they succeeded in 2020.

They failed in 2024.

The, uh, there is going to be clear evidence that's going to come out about foreign interference in our elections that was supported and enabled by people inside of our own government, that the level and the depth of infiltration by foreign, uh, foreign adversaries inside of the most important parts of our national security apparatus in our government is not a joke.

What are they gonna find in Fulton? What are they gonna find in Maricopa? What, what is the big kahuna here?

From a high-level perspective, what is your assessment on Epstein Phase 2 disclosures?

Well, first of all, Jack, the country, the world, anybody that has children is not going to move on from this.

So I'm afraid, you know, for the political leadership that we have in Washington, D.C., this is not going to go away.

So the real big picture here that's emerging is that Epstein, not acting alone, was a massive, massive elite leader.

intelligence operation to gain control and influence over decision makers across the world, whether it's in the political or business world.

But clearly, they got their mission accomplished in a big, big way, as we are seeing in this sort of daily dropping of these emails and more and more people are digging into the weeds of it.

And it's disgusting.

What do you make of the war drums that are currently rattling for and drumming for Iran?

Ju- keep going

... what, what the Washington, what the Washington, DC establishment needs to understand, the- and it's being choked by their own, you know, political, I don't know, j- just their inability to understand that this is not politics as usual anymore in the United States of America.

We are facing a hardcore and a hardened Marxist ideological group of people that is larger than most people understand.

Uh, they are well-trained, they're well-resourced, they're active, and that was James O'Keefe's point.

You know, that, that we have to understand that these are people that are devout followers of their own, you know, sort of religion, if you will.

And this religion is, is a very hardcore Marxist ideological, you know, underpinning, and it starts, you know, on the streets, it starts in the, you know, in the, in the cities, and it clearly is running throughout the universities in our country, and it has been for some time.

This is not, you know, Democrats versus Republicans.

Ngo's warning of what you said, "Hey, the White House has gotta see this right away and has to understand it, sir."

Can you hear me?

Yeah, I mean, what I'm saying is that what the Washington...

What the Washington DC establishment needs to understand, and it's being choked by their own political, I don't know, just their inability to understand that this is not politics as usual anymore in the United States of America.

We are facing a hardcore and a hardened Marxist ideological group of people that is larger than most people understand.

They're well-trained, they're well-resourced, they're active, and that was James O'Keefe's point, you know, that we have to understand that these are people that are devout followers of their own, you know, sort of religion, if you will.

And this religion is a very hardcore Marxist ideological, you know, underpinning, and it starts, you know, on the streets, it starts in the, you know, in the cities, and it clearly is running throughout the universities in our country.

And it has been for some time.

Hey, the White House has got to see this right away and has to understand it, sir.

Good morning.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Thanks, guys.

And thanks to your audience.

You guys are great.

I appreciate everything that you're doing to keep America informed of the truth.

Do you think it's going to come to that, or is the threat going to be enough to have Tim Walz and the others there in Minneapolis think twice and say, okay, let's get on board here, or at least let's clean up our act?

Well,

they fought for eight years, but, and then we got, we weighed in for 20.

Yeah.

And instead of, instead of, you know, having somebody, it's really run by, by, you know, the, the al-Mahdi, which is the part of the, which is part of the regime over there in Iraq.

Right.

The Shia element is strong.

uh very corrupt you know i mean you know it is what it is i mean it's just it's undeniable so i'm not making something up it just is what it is but but the the other country that is very closely tied to iran is cutter so uh cutter is, you know, just as a data point, Qatar spends the most money of all nations, all of the nations on the planet inside of our education system.

yeah

Welcome back to the show.

Yeah, great to...

And thanks for having me on, and, uh, I, I've- I'm fascinated by that previous discussion about Iran, but this is...

You know, this situation, it- so big sort of strategic statement is that we are fishing in the wrong pond, okay? And the pond being the wrong- the, the wrong pond is the Atlantic.

The, the pond that we should be fishing in is the, is the Pacific because the, the behemoth, uh, gorilla that's not being talked about rarely or rarely being talked about is China.

And so, you know, when we talk about the Arctic, and I... 'Cause I know that's why you asked me to come on today, um, you know, the, the, there are...

People need to understand that, uh, there are treaties between the United States of America and Greenland, principally Denmark.

Right.

What are your thoughts on where this is going to go?

Yeah, so number one, it's sad that the woman was killed and it's sad that she put herself into a position where she looked like she was going to run that ICE agent over.

I mean, so the guy, these people are up there to do a job directed by the government, and these are human bands and they're federal law enforcement officers trying to do their jobs and they're directed to do those.

And this woman was clearly blocking the road.

So, you know, I won't sit here and investigate this thing, you know, over the air with you, Jack, but the fact that she's died now The mayor of that city and the left is going to take this thing and they are going to run really, really hard with it.

And boy, I'm going to tell you, I think over the next 24 to 48 hours, you're going to see a bunch of bundled up Antifa-like people.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE LEFT-WING GROUPS THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT INTO THE STREETS AND START PROTESTING IN A BIG, BIG WAY, THEY WILL TIE INTO THEIR LEFTIST REPRESENTATIVES INSIDE OF OUR CONGRESS.

Go and look at the map and you'll see.

Yes.

That gentleman that, that gentleman that was just on for your audience, he's, he's moving to, to 102.

He's 101 going on 102.

He is the survivor of World War II.

He served on what was called the, the, it's a submarine, called the Sailfish.

People need to go look up the Sailfish, just Google it.

He was one of only two people that served the entire war on that submarine.

So I just want to give you this big runway, since you mentioned it multiple times there in the last answer, to tell us, like, what was your role in saving the 2024 election? Uh, w- how do we fix this system?

if they wanna be a, a broker of peace and assist President Trump, uh, they wanna do something in Gaza, they can't be at the same time be underwriting, uh, terrorism in Europe and the United States, sir.

Yeah.

You know what, Steve? I don't mind what they do over there.

I don't mind what they do in their country, whatever they wanna do in their country.

What I don't want is I don't want them to do it in- inside of our country.

I don't want...

I do not want their ideology and I do not want their f- their money being poured into our, uh, undergraduate and graduate level programs here to the tune of billions of dollars a year to change a mindset, a cultural mindset in the United States of America.

General Flynn.

If they want to do something in Gaza, they can't be at the same time be underwriting terrorism in Europe and the United States, sir.

Yeah, you know what, Steve? I don't mind what they do over there.

I don't mind what they do in their country, whatever they want to do in their country.

What I don't want is I don't want them to do it inside of our country.

I do not want their ideology and I do not want their money being poured into our undergraduate and graduate level programs here to the tune of billions of dollars a year to change a mindset, a cultural mindset in the United States of America.

So if, you know, if Qatar, do what you want to do, you know, all these other countries overseas, we have to deal with China because China is a, you know, is a big nation, right? It's a, we do a lot of trade with China.

We have to deal with China, but I don't want the Chinese ideology here in America.

General Flynn.

What, what type of debacle was that, sir?

sir?Yeah.

First of all, these units I've worked very closely with them, uh, uh, you know, spent time with many of them, so I know them very, uh, very precisely, I guess.

Th- these are, these are people that are so well-trained and as well-trained as our, as our Green Berets, as our Special Forces, uh, as our some of the most elite military units because they were trained by principally the CIA and, and with... when...

in the CIA, it's called Ground Branch.

So, these guys are really well-trained.

The fact that some of them, uh, looks like many of them were brought over to the United States of America without handlers.

Yeah.

They took, what, 60,000 to 100,000 Afghans into this country? What type of debacle was that, sir?

First of all, these units, I've worked very closely with them, spent time with many of them.

So I know them very, very precisely, I guess.

These are people that are so well-trained and as well-trained as our Green Beret, as our Special Forces, as our some most elite military units, because they were trained by principally the CIA.

And in the CIA, it's called ground branch.

So these guys are really well-trained.

The fact that some of them It looks like many of them were brought over to the United States of America without handlers.

One, tell the audience, what do you mean by that? And who's in charge? Who's in your best thinking? Who's driving this color revolution against the people and the sovereignty of the United States?

But I do think that what they're asking you to do is seditious behavior, General.

Yeah, I mean, you know, first of all, and Chris Smith, Senator Chris Smith from Connecticut, if anybody wants to go see what, you know, just how crazy these people are, go look at his response as well.

It's just, it's unbelievable.

But first of all, all of these people served in some capacity in the military, or that one officer, that one member there served in the CIA.

This actually seemed to me, when I first saw it, it was less about the military grant than it was about the intel community.

And I think that there's an element here inside the intelligence community, and Tulsi Gabbard has been a A terrific, and in fact, one of the reasons why the head of the National Security Agency and the deputy National Security Agency director were fired about four or five months ago, because inside of these organizations, inside of these big agencies, I always remind people that 70% of the intelligence community is inside of the Department of War.

She got rid of them because of subversion inside of the National Security Agency to the tune of about 1,000 people.

What do you think their goal was? What are they concerned? Who are they actually talking to inside this community? Are they trying to change behavior of some kind?

You were the target.

Right.

And it's because...

And anybody that's been paying attention to me for years now understands why.

But again, I have had, you know, nearly four decades of my life in the world of intelligence, counterintelligence, and specifically, uh, the world of counter-terrorism, and, and conducting operations not only, you know, from a foreign perspective, but also from a domestic perspective, because I worked at the highest levels of our government, running one of the largest intel agencies, and also, uh, at the highest level of our intelligence, uh, community at the, as the, uh, one of the deputy directors of National Intelligence.

So, not, not only for a, a short period of time as National Security Advisor.

So, I have this abundance of knowledge and experience that lets me see things, and I still am able to see things, because I have various networks of people that, you know, that o- that continue to operate, and they're looking at these same issues.

Mm-hmm.

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Wow.

Wow.

Unbelievable.

Um, earlier you, and you guys weren't here, I li- I listed, listed off a group of character traits of what I felt from these people that I have gotten to know over the many years, and one of them has to do with courage and passion, and you saw that up here.

You know, and I know that there'll be of a couple other people, but those that have already spoken today.

But this idea of, of unifying, you know, under some umbrella, right? And, and really the umbrella is our ability to be able to speak freely about what we want, what we believe in, right? Our country, uh, our faith, right? The freedoms that we, that we, uh, cherish, that many, many have sacrificed for.

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