And so I'm curious, like, how did you go from where you were to where you are today in your relationship with your mom and your stepdad?

Yeah, my relationship with my stepdad and my mom has changed a lot over the years, you know, from the beginning of the affair.

You know, I think I mentioned, um, at the beginning my stepdad was trying to connect with me, so he would schedule, you know, times for us to go to Starbucks and talk.

And at that point I was very...

I was still very dismissive.

I was very quiet, um, very standoffish.

One thing that really bothered me in the early days was when my nieces and nephews, they were still young at that time, they would call my stepfather Grandpa.

What, what might you say is, like, the first step that they c- could consider? Maybe it looks different in different situations, but I'm curious from your point of view, like, what would be one of the first steps that they could do today to begin mending that relationship?