So I really value that as someone that's constantly trying to learn and also educate.

Yeah, so that device actually, originally it was Dr. Jack Cruz who suggested I build that device.

And sometimes Jack can sort of give you slightly cryptic information.

He always has some sort of plan going on.

I made the mistake of actually not listening to him soon enough.

And so it was only when I actually heard him on the Rick Rubin podcast with Dr. Huberman as well, that's when things finally clicked for me that I realized, oh, this UVA thing is actually a really big deal.

I basically stopped looking because I found something.

Like I actually do a lot of work on that.