now in terms of the kind of sonic landscape of the ep indie pop sensibilities across it uh evident in tom healy's production how was it working with him on this release what kind of sounds were you reaching for yeah um

Yeah, it was great.

He worked on our 2018 record, so we had worked with him before, and, you know, he's like this meticulous, meticulous guy.

He's very...

He dials in tones, and he's, like, very meticulous with the guitars, which I'm a very scrabbly kind of guitar player, so he reigns me in a bit, which is good.

And he'll find, like... embellish hooks that maybe I would probably have buried a bit more, for whatever reason, not just subconsciously or unconsciously.

So he's very good at bringing out hooks, I think.

What connection did you have to that enough to make it the EP's title?