I'm going to jump ahead a little bit because you kind of touched on something I was going to ask about later, but for those of our listeners who aren't really familiar with immigration law and how it works, given that it's such a prevalent issue today for everyone, not just members of the Hispanic community, Can you just give us a little bit of primer or an explainer about the uniqueness of immigration law and how you said it's a civil legal issue with criminal-like consequences? And again, to just how it works or ties with federal immigration law versus like state enforcement, just for folks who aren't familiar with this area.

And so, I mean, the way that immigration law interacts with state criminal laws actually is one of the things that I really like to nerd out on and that I'm most interested in.

And one of the things that I think my law practice has offered me a unique opportunity for representation.

Because oftentimes people, when they're arrested, of course they're worried whether or not they're going to go to jail, but I think for people with potential immigration consequences, there's a whole other layer of liability and consequence that can make a difference.

And so one of the things that I've always prided myself and the attorneys that work with me is is trying to provide appropriate appropriate criminal represent representation in criminal cases that that's always uh certain to to advise of the immigration consequences because oftentimes uh well-meaning criminal defense attorneys uh oftentimes can say oh well this isn't good enough for an american citizen so it should be good enough for you and that is completely and totally false for example A charge of simple possession of drugs for the state of Oklahoma is a misdemeanor, but it can have permanent and lifetime consequences for a person either with a green card or with a chance of getting a green card that would preclude them from ever having a chance to do that.

And so one of the areas of law that I'm particularly interested in is the way that criminal law interacts and has oftentimes unintended consequences when it comes to immigration.

And so it's interesting for some of my clients, for most U.S. citizens, whenever they have a criminal case, the number one thing is they don't want to go to jail.

Do you think that this gap in representation affects the legal outcomes for people in the Hispanic community? And do you think that having more representation in attorneys, judges, legislators will increase the trust and willingness of the community to engage with the legal system?