I mean, just because someone identifies as Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they feel compelled to invest only in Catholic funds, right?

Yeah, that is right.

It's a very astute point, actually, and something that we really should consider when we want to understand the true addressable market.

So whilst, obviously, the lack of standardization and segmented history are definitely inhibiting factors, I think many people and even institutions of faith are just happy to invest without following such guidance and then, let's say, inhibit Catholic values in their day-to-day life.

By comparison, we see estimates of Islamic finance, the total size being estimated around $4 trillion globally.

But this is really supported by institutions who are mandated to invest in a Sharia, by institutions who are mandated to invest in Sharia-compliant investments.

So we just don't see that same degree of mandated demand within Christian investing sphere.

What do you think the big picture is over the long term? Do you think that these investment strategies are meaningfully handicapped compared to conventional funds because of the restrictions that they apply?

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Another amazing story.

And you know what really stood out to me about Jesse's extraordinary life is his fascination with grace.

Here's a guy who was raised in a very legalistic environment.

You know, he even went off to college planning to study law.

Rules, standards, performance.