They were talking.

It's something that blew my mind because we started seeing IT workers in their operations.

Andariel should not be talking to these IT workers.

And I remember just sitting there.

I'm like, "What is going on here?" Like, "Is this wrong? What is this?" And you start peeling the onion back, and you say, "Oh, all these other accounts are all IT workers.

Oh, these are all the hacking group." And I'm like, "Okay, so they're just with them, right?" They're like, "No, they're actually helping them with operations." Some of these hacking groups are actually managers, and they're overseeing some of these IT working teams and helping each other.

And that's when I'm like, "Okay, we need to sound the alarms bad." The problem was, at that time, it was very sensitive and sometimes classified, so we had to wait, like, a year and a half until we'd actually see this stuff happening out in the open.

They'll already be there waiting inside.

You may remember him from episode one as the guy who tattooed IT workers onto his foot.

For North Korea specifically, they are bred on crypto.

They understood it before you and I ever knew what a Bitcoin was.

They get it.

So my fear here is kind of twofold, how good North Korea is at crypto and how they, again, with the placement access for IT workers.

Whenever I'm talking to financial institutions and talking about this problem, this is one that's always kind of come up, and it's that we haven't seen North Korea make this run on the banks that we saw in, in the 20-teens.

Those things kind of went away.