Okay, the 100 freestyle is one of the most painful events

Oh, 100%, and I think that's what kept me out of, like, pursuing it when I was younger There's a ...

Well, and it was always at the end of the meet.

So I'm like, I get to it, and I ...

You have to race it like a 50.

Like, you're pretty aggressive.

Um, I remember when it was getting super fast too, there was a part of me that was like, "Oh, I wanna get that, like, relay spot and build that."

Concert and stadium experiences are dying.

So South Dakota, and was it just you guys landed on a farm there? How did you end up in South Dakota?

Yeah.

So it's funny.

So my parents, because of the farming background, they ended up getting agricultural visas, and so they worked...

My dad was working with South Dakota wheat growers, so basically just like run-of-the-mill, like driving combines, like doing all the corn crops, like, throughout the seasons.

And then my mom had...

And this kind of-- It's funny.

[laughs]

What would be a favorite article that you've, uh, published in the last 12 months or so, something that you really kind of can't imagine appearing somewhere else?

Um, well, you, uh, the magazine in front of you has a cover story of a, a woman, um, holding a gourd, uh, and that's a, an amazing story about this, um, this artist out west Auckland who has basically got this project where she's growing, um, gourds or hue and turning them into instruments and different types of, um...

It, it's a taonga, basically.

And it was just such a beautiful story in the nexus of art and growing, and that's what the magazine is about.

It's about s- looking at those ways that people are growing food, but also, uh, practicing, um, things that really galvanize their connection with the land and with the produce that they grow in different ways.

What do you need to do to make a magazine work financially in 2026? What does it take?

Um, about 70 hours of work a week, and, uh, just getting the community involved.

Um, you know, we, we...

And real quick,

how old were you at the time? 24.

Okay.

Right? Yeah, 24, 25.

Wait, no. Yeah, 24, 25.

Math isn't math.

I was homeschooled, so like this, it's all over the place.

And how did you lose any friends? How did other people treat you? How did organizations treat you, et cetera? Yeah,