Mm-hmm.

We have a shared friendship with someone that we both trust, but our, our bodies are responding to this in different ways because we don't...

It's unfamiliar.

It's unpredictable.

We both want a really cool outcome, right? So it's important to us.

All of those factors play a role in how my heart is beating, how my breathing patterns are forming, my posture, my orientation, my sound of my voice [laughs] all of those things.

And so that's where I start, is let's just recognize how things are shifting, changing, and now how do we then relate to that in ways that might be helpful? And in these high-performance settings, what I've observed is a lot of people just take that, what we call nervous energy, and they channel it, and I call it fight.

What is the play zone?

But what do you feel are the key challenges that need to be addressed for industry to really make that transition into using it?

sure and this was a big focus of the research the technology of an electric arc furnace is complicated but it's solved in a lot of ways we understand the technology in terms of what we're doing in new zealand the af is in motion we're commissioning it at the moment and the engineering is fairly well understood but the challenges are the system around the electric arc furnace that we want to build efficiencies for So scrap supply is the first challenge and something I did a bit of work on.

An electric arc furnace only works if you can feed it consistently high quality scrap.

So that means improving on-site sorting at the demolition stage of a project, preventing contamination, building reliable collection infrastructure so you can ship the scrap around the country and keeping that scrap in New Zealand rather than letting it go to export markets as we just talked about.

And an extension of that is the geographic nature of New Zealand.

We have two separate islands.

We're a very long country.

But what other influences does it really have?

That'll be

our first and our last question, everyone.

Okay.

No, I'll be brief.

So that's a body of work by Dr. Stephen Porges.

And he was essentially studying the nervous system for 40 or 50 years.

He's been affiliated with a number of universities.

Could you talk about that just a little bit?

in simple terms?

[laughs] Oh, the million-dollar question.

So the theory itself was developed by Dr. Stephen Porges over a period of, mm, 40 or 50 years of research.

He was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

He's been with several different universities, and I'll just do it as succinctly as possible 'cause it is a complex theory.

But the, the part that's very applicable, and we've already touched on, is that our physiological state, which in layman's terms is how our heart is beating, the rhythms of our breath, how our organs are being regulated or not, how much muscle tension we have, how much energy we have flowing through our body, all of those things that are controlled autonomically by the autonomic nervous system, not consciously.

Now we can control our breath, we can control our muscle tension, we can do those things, but our physiological state, these changes that are occurring reflexively that are regulated by the autonomic nervous system, that really shapes our moment-to-moment experience of the world.

So what does being in a dysregulated state actually feel like for an athlete?