Michael? Yeah.

I think there are seven days in the week, and I'm sure that there was definitely part of him and part of all of us that kind of resent, like, oh, I got to go teach now.

Teaching is a double-edged sword.

It can be really exciting.

It can also be incredibly draining, and I'm sure it was very draining for... well it's draining for anybody but um you know i i think i would imagine from how regimented he was and you know having models and keeping everything going and running kind of having uh a day above ground was probably good um you know to kind of see other people uh you're not saying that teaching for what the slave was at different decades was you know really kind of strong um social structure.

Ewan definitely had people that were working there that he was very close to.

Also had definitely people that resented him and he resented them.

So,

Oh.

Um, I respected her opinions very, very highly.

She doesn't remember this, but, um, I cornered her one night and I, at, at a dinner at the Studio School, and I said to her, "You know, I, I really am thinking about doing exchange.

I want to go to London.

What do you think?" And she just said, "You should go to the Slade and study with Euan Uglow." And I just went, "Okay." Uh, and, uh, that, that was my personality at the time.

Uh, and I, to be honest, I don't really know if I precisely knew his work.

So I think probably the next day at the Studio School, went to the library and, uh, the monographs were all al- alphabetical regardless of art type, and I found the U.

Mm-hmm.