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Michael Marden

May 25, 2026

KayaHOST
10:09
Yes.
MichaelGUEST
10:09
So basically, the way it happened, so I got my degree in theater, like I mentioned.
MichaelGUEST
10:13
I, I start, I went to school, Florida A&M University.
MichaelGUEST
10:16
And so I always knew that I was put on this earth, my purpose was to entertain people and also educate people, so I th- wanted to pursue acting and, like, even, like, s- screenwriting and things like that.
MichaelGUEST
10:27
So I thought that was my avenue.
MichaelGUEST
10:29
And so, uh, in pursuing acting and going on auditions and things like that, I had a friend that had a podcast, and one day I, I, and I asked him does he wanna go see "John Wick 2" with me.
MichaelGUEST
10:41
So we went to the movies.
KayaHOST
11:48
Exactly.
8:14
... to hear.
MichaelGUEST
8:17
Okay.
MichaelGUEST
8:17
So I'll go first.
MichaelGUEST
8:19
So, um, in my, I had mentioned that I was married before, and so when I was pregnant with our daughter, my ex-husband, we were, we were actually house sitting for some members in our ward, and he was really, really, like just, he, he also was a convert, and he was just literally like wanted to know all about the church.
MichaelGUEST
8:38
And so they had this huge library in their home, and he picked up, uh, a book to learn more about it, and he stumbled across the whole Blacks in the priesthood and race relations.
MichaelGUEST
8:50
And, uh, he brought it to me, and I knew about it, but I, I was 19, and you know, I really wasn't thinking about it too much, and so he brought it to me and was like, "Read this." And then I really started to read it, and that particular thing led to something else, and then that led to something else, and long story short, he decided to take his name off the records of the church.
MichaelGUEST
9:08
Like it, it led us on this long researching path, talking to this person, this particular, you know, um, scholar in this, in the gospel, and he took his name off the records of the church.

25 MINS LATER

34:38
Mm-hmm.
9:21
Is there any truth to that?
MichaelGUEST
9:23
Yeah, look, uh, the, the, the, w- we've, we've, I think only really recently we've been looking more at oral health in, in general as a, as a precursor to systemic problems like dementia, heart problems, and everything else.
MichaelGUEST
9:35
Look, I, I've seen people in the hospital who have ended up coming into a hospital with a serious problem because it started in their teeth and in their gums.
MichaelGUEST
9:44
Look, the ... you're absolutely right.
MichaelGUEST
9:45
The bacteria can go r- round the bloodstream, and it can attach onto the heart valves and give people something called endocarditis, which is really serious.
MichaelGUEST
9:53
And it can also go round the bloodstream and, and, uh, get stuck in one of the discs in your spine.
MichaelGUEST
9:58
It sounds absolutely ridiculous, but it's true, and that's called discitis.
11:01
Should, should I be looking up, like, anti-inflammation diets, or is there something easy that we can all be doing to kind of, um, quell inflammation in our body?
1:29
Right
MichaelGUEST
1:29
...
MichaelGUEST
1:29
I was younger.
MichaelGUEST
1:30
So, um, well, this starts with me.
MichaelGUEST
1:35
I, uh, drive the box truck for this company that delivered, like, janitorial supplies and, um, uh, cleaning stuff like that.
MichaelGUEST
1:46
So, um, there's a lot of these stops around here that they're about 50 to 100 miles apart.
MichaelGUEST
1:53
Um, and it's just a regular box truck that I drive.
3:11
[laughs] Huh.
RhettHOST
1:41
Oh, yeah.
MichaelGUEST
1:42
And we ended up going, ended up bringing Joey along.
MichaelGUEST
1:44
And, uh, well, we decided to bring our guitars and figured we wanted to play a little bit of music while we were there.
MichaelGUEST
1:50
Just weren't really planning on doing anything huge, just wanted to play out by the pool, so.
RhettHOST
2:53
So, uh, so what, what songs were, were you playing for that set right, right before Roger?
MichaelGUEST
2:58
So we had a...
MichaelGUEST
2:59
We had played a few of our originals.
MichaelGUEST
3:01
The first one we played was Run Through the Canyon, and, uh, that one ended up going pretty well.
23:18
You mentioned you didn't really go there much, but the times you did go there, how was the food selection and did it ever feel too crowded?
MichaelGUEST
23:24
Uh, the, the times I went I, and I always, I really do think it was always evening, like, where they had the one side closed off.
MichaelGUEST
23:32
I don't think we ever went there for lunch.
MichaelGUEST
23:33
I think we went twice for evening.
MichaelGUEST
23:35
And it, it wasn't bad at all.
MichaelGUEST
23:36
It was just, you know, you walk in and you're, like, y- I never stood in a line or anything.
MichaelGUEST
23:41
The selection of food was decent to me.

10 MINS LATER

33:44
Okay.
6:26
So, so Michael, what were some things that you guys experienced i- in this, uh, in this, oh, it was kind of a research experiment really?
MichaelGUEST
6:36
Okay.
MichaelGUEST
6:37
Um, the, the first night was just kind of a shakedown.
MichaelGUEST
6:40
Uh, w- I ended up joining the short hike group.
MichaelGUEST
6:43
It was a small group.
MichaelGUEST
6:46
Um, we just walked out.
MichaelGUEST
6:48
I believe it's the amphitheater area.

24 MINS LATER

30:46
Oh, right.
SamHOST
33:48
Oh, wow.
MichaelGUEST
33:49
Yeah.
MichaelGUEST
33:50
I want, you know, with me and my partner and then my mom wanted to see it, so I took her.
MichaelGUEST
33:53
But, um, I definitely enjoyed it.
MichaelGUEST
33:56
I think it works.
MichaelGUEST
33:57
I could see why you guys don't think it's scary, for sure.
MichaelGUEST
34:00
I think there's moments in it that's kinda creepy, you know, the vibe and what he does, but I do agree with y'all saying, like, it's kinda, like, forced in the w- in a sense where b- Pennywise he's...

13 MINS LATER

BrianHOST
46:58
Yeah.
BruceHOST
6:07
Mm.
MichaelGUEST
6:07
Mm.You know, she's healthy as can be, always kinda has been, but, um, like my knees are knackered from rugby, uh- Yeah ... you know, shoulders knackered from rugby.
MichaelGUEST
6:18
Sure.
MichaelGUEST
6:18
I've broken one elbow off a bicycle, I've broken the other elbow off a motorcycle crash on track.
MichaelGUEST
6:22
It's, there's, I'm carrying a few knocks, but the, we s- she, she pushed me to start yoga, and- Mm-hmm ... like I couldn't touch my toes two years ago, say.
MichaelGUEST
6:34
Now, that was after the back injury and everything else.
MichaelGUEST
6:36
Now I can literally wrap my fingers under my toes, which is a very small thing, but it's, I'm not kidding you, it has made me feel 20 times healthier.

49 MINS LATER

BruceHOST
56:14
I'll say back, that'll take you about four days
23:52
I'm like, "Fuck, I wish I would've been a little bit smarter." You know? Love my baby though, but what?
MichaelGUEST
23:56
No, it, it's, it's interesting, but it's, it's truly shocks me that a girl, a...
MichaelGUEST
24:01
It truly shocks me that a female would be more into a man who's married with kids than a man who lives at home with his mom who has no kids.
MichaelGUEST
24:08
[laughs] That's what shocks me.

30 MINS LATER

54:10
Go ahead and tell them where they can find you on social media.
MichaelGUEST
54:13
Uh, you can follow me on TikTok at Mike, uh, Motive, M-O-T-I-V-E. Facebook, you can look me up.
MichaelGUEST
54:19
It's Michael Anthony G's.
MichaelGUEST
54:20
Um, pretty much just those two things.
AnnaHOST
9:41
[laughs]
MichaelGUEST
9:41
And then I said, I, "What, what's the perfect guitar for a nine-month-old?" And he, he was like, "Oh, probably this is our smallest guitar." And I said, "Can he try it out?" [laughs] And then Swade was sort of holding the guitar and I was like, "I think he likes it.
MichaelGUEST
9:56
We'll take it."

19 MINS LATER

AnnaHOST
28:39
[laughs]
MichaelGUEST
28:39
Yeah.
MichaelGUEST
28:41
So the...
MichaelGUEST
28:42
Yeah, so to the side of us just before we went in, this guy walks past with the, the roller bassinet with his baby in it, and he just had this stunned joy look on his face.
0:40
Over to you
MichaelGUEST
0:41
... first question this week comes in from Terrence.
MichaelGUEST
0:43
Thank you so much, Terrence.
MichaelGUEST
0:45
With the People's Bank of China rolling out a programmable digital currency, there has been increasing discussion about its potential to influence the velocity of money and enable more precise economic intervention, such as targeting stimulus to specific sectors, regions, or cohorts, and even applying expiry to funds.
MichaelGUEST
1:04
As the Reserve Bank of Australia explores similar applications, how do you view programmable digital currency as a fiscal policy tool?
5:33
Ooh.
MichaelGUEST
5:34
Hey, Adam and Adir.
MichaelGUEST
5:34
I wanted to ask about what your advice is on the pathway for selling small businesses.
26:07
Mm-hmm.
MichaelGUEST
26:08
A big push into the automation space, so everything from SCADA down to PLCs, drives, and as you can see here behind us, our robot, which is pulling in data from the various sensors.
27:04
So you're see- Where are you seeing robots being implemented mostly?
MichaelGUEST
27:09
Uh, recently I was visiting a customer that was having to pack 16,000 products, um, I think it was a day, into boxes.
MichaelGUEST
27:17
And, you know, they, you know, reliance on workers, and that can be, you know, there can be issues around that.
MichaelGUEST
27:23
So those sort of spaces where they now need to ramp up, uh, and move into that next space, uh, to automate it.
20:41
Where are you at today? Like, uh, in the goal of landing employment and a job that you like and are happy with, like, where did it get you?
MichaelGUEST
20:51
So I, I'm really unique, and this is just more kudos to you guys.
MichaelGUEST
20:55
So I started doing all this in September, and I started it, I just wanna, you know, emphasize for anybody who would consider this.
MichaelGUEST
21:03
I went in there going, "I'm gonna do everything you tell me to do, 'cause if I fail, it's not my fault.
MichaelGUEST
21:07
It's yours, Carly." [both laughing] And, and it worked.
MichaelGUEST
21:12
So a-and I, I have to say, it's, it's worked twice over.
MichaelGUEST
21:16
Unfortunately, got to the position a couple months ago where the role I had gotten was one that I, uh, wasn't really fitting with what I saw myself doing as a CS manager.
25:22
How do you think about that?
2:08
Yep.
MichaelGUEST
2:09
There seems to be a real love for the '60s theme that we have out here.
MichaelGUEST
2:12
And, um, yeah, the whole camping field nearly sold out.
MichaelGUEST
2:15
It was, it was 300 or 400 campers up.
2:32
Do you think the camping area is gonna sell out this year?
MichaelGUEST
2:34
I really do.
MichaelGUEST
2:34
I think 100%.
MichaelGUEST
2:35
The way it's going, it's up year on year, so yeah, it'll sell out, so people do need to book.
AnnaHOST
37:26
[laughs]
MichaelGUEST
37:27
Yeah, all of it.
MichaelGUEST
37:27
I'm excited to sort of watch, watch them grow, watch you as what will be an amazing mother, teach them things, try to guide them through life.
MichaelGUEST
37:39
Every, every...
MichaelGUEST
37:41
Like, I can visualize sort of every stage of it, and I'm excited for all of it.
AnnaHOST
38:30
Brought to you by QV Baby.
MichaelGUEST
38:32
[clears throat] "Hi, Anna.
MichaelGUEST
38:34
So excited Where's Your Bump At? is returning.
12:03
Um, so they a, a good, good endurance shoe?
MichaelGUEST
12:06
Um, yeah.
MichaelGUEST
12:07
So I've found that, uh, it's, it, it's kind of tricky to get a good balance between, um, uh, a comfortable runner for that amount of distance, but also something-
IdaGUEST
12:55
[laughs] Yeah.
MichaelGUEST
12:55
Um, I've, I've tried...
MichaelGUEST
12:57
So I've been doing this for around about, um, 15 years now.
MichaelGUEST
13:00
Um, and I've tr- I, I have successfully managed to complete, um, events-
25:20
Uh, tell us a little bit about it, Michael, and welcome to the show.
MichaelGUEST
25:23
Thank you.
MichaelGUEST
25:24
Um, well, we moved into this house in 1990.
MichaelGUEST
25:29
Um, and it was a house that my grandfather had, had boughten.
MichaelGUEST
25:33
Um, and it was just, uh, me, and I had two older sisters and, uh, my single mom.
MichaelGUEST
25:40
It started with, uh, the, like, night that we had, the day before we had moved in there.
MichaelGUEST
25:47
Um, my sisters had wanted to camp out in the backyard, and, uh, right before we moved out.
26:39
Huh
5:38
But this is before we, we have a conversation about markets, neighborhoods, or properties.
MichaelGUEST
5:44
And it's kind of the latter of the questions that you had mentioned.
MichaelGUEST
5:47
It's should I get into real estate? Why should I be looking into this asset class? And that kind of is one of the reasons when I was thinking about of how to have this conversation with you, is really to focus on those intuitive questions.
MichaelGUEST
6:03
And for me, that is the question to answer.
MichaelGUEST
6:06
Why rental real estate?Because once you know this is where I wanna invest my capital, it's gonna help bring all the pieces together.
MichaelGUEST
6:17
And very bluntly and very straightforward, the reasoning why rental real estate is the asset class of choice in my humble opinion is increase in inflation as well as cheap cost of capital.
MichaelGUEST
6:33
You look back over history, you look back in the late '80s when we had the high inflationary period and those yields were 15, 20% on some of the 30-year mortgages, borrowing costs were so high.
11:40
And again, I'll let you take this however you wanna take it, and, uh, answer it however you like.
speaker_3UNKNOWN
20:41
Mm-hmm
MichaelGUEST
20:42
...
MichaelGUEST
20:42
in, in the history of pipe tobacco.
MichaelGUEST
20:45
So there are articles, there are some tobacco reviews, there's some pieces on, on pipes and artisans.
MichaelGUEST
20:51
So, so one article in particular that I try to write is an artisan feature, um, in each issue or, or on some pipe maker or something like that.
MichaelGUEST
21:00
But then there's also an element of storytelling, and that even comes through the tobacco reviews, the pieces on the artisan.
MichaelGUEST
21:07
Um, stories, and this is really even for my own life personally, have, uh, I've changed my mind on that some.

17 MINS LATER

JustinHOST
38:01
Yeah.
39:44
Uh, would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
MichaelGUEST
39:46
Sure.
MichaelGUEST
39:47
The first block of stories is actually, takes place in the house that I grew up in, uh, when I was a kid.
MichaelGUEST
39:53
I would like to think that it was a friendly ghost, but it was more of a tormentor.
MichaelGUEST
39:58
Really just kind of played with me.
MichaelGUEST
40:01
Just, yeah, it, it seemed to really enjoy scaring me, which wasn't ideal for a little boy growing up.
MichaelGUEST
40:10
So the way that it began, um, we moved into this place I think when I was around eight years old, seven years old.

20 MINS LATER

60:44
You know, you go to sleep at night, supposed to be safe and comfortable, and you're, you're constantly on edge.
15:00
You picked up a new hobby, right?
MichaelGUEST
15:01
Yeah.
MichaelGUEST
15:01
So I think it'd be hard to, to be as supportive as I am with a wife as successful as she is if I didn't feel confident in myself.
MichaelGUEST
15:09
And when you, you kind of are able to build your own identity for yourself, it becomes much easier to be that, that support person, and Erin really helped me do that.
MichaelGUEST
15:17
She encouraged me to get a hobby.
MichaelGUEST
15:19
I sort of hit, like, a roadblock in, in my career at a, at, at a nine-to-five job, and-
15:23
Mm-hmm
MichaelGUEST
15:24
...
Ariana LucenteCORRESPONDENT
22:09
And Michael's friends, girlfriend, and family were super supportive.
MichaelGUEST
22:12
My friends were...
MichaelGUEST
22:13
They made me feel like comfortable to get whatever I wanted to do.
MichaelGUEST
22:16
My girlfriend loves it.
MichaelGUEST
22:17
She said, "Mike, I don't think you need it.
MichaelGUEST
22:19
You look really good.
MichaelGUEST
22:20
But if it makes you feel better and it helps your self-esteem, then do it."
Ariana LucenteCORRESPONDENT
22:24
[gentle music] His advice for people going through hair loss?
51:31
So Michael, do you wanna whisper to us? So does anybody have anything to say? Any last words?
MichaelGUEST
52:06
I appreciate the emphasis on, on paññā in, in your, in, in your teachings.
MichaelGUEST
52:11
This dasana was incredible, and that's the penetrative aspect of the teachings of the Buddha, and that's the direct path.
BrettGUEST
55:51
Nice to meet you.
MichaelGUEST
55:52
No, I'm not gonna stay.
MichaelGUEST
55:54
[laughs]
ThiruHOST
0:47
That's the first question.
MichaelGUEST
0:49
Okay, um, [clears throat] uh, s- uh, yeah, Anand says self-abidance should be the default state.
MichaelGUEST
1:01
[clears throat] Whether we like it or not, it is our default state.
MichaelGUEST
1:05
It is our natural state.
MichaelGUEST
1:07
It is the state that we al- are always actually in.
MichaelGUEST
1:12
But because we seem to have risen as ego, we seem to have separated ourself from what we actually are.
MichaelGUEST
1:22
So we are not, uh... as ego, we don't experience that self-abidance.

26 MINS LATER

ThiruHOST
27:01
Is there a po-possibility that it can still attract one towards it in the future?

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