And did you know what you were going to do? Did you have a sort of plan to go, I'm going to move into entertainment? No,

no, not at all.

No, what happened genuinely was it was the night of the 2019 election.

Because we'd had the 2015 snap election, 2017, then 2019.

I came home from the election count and I said to my wife, I'm not doing this again.

I don't care if the election's called a snap election next year or if it's the full five years or whatever.

I'm just not doing this again.

So was the real issue with being in Parliament is you were expected to help them with all their IT problems?

rather than any real kind of

long-term thinking.

And I don't doubt that that long-term planning did happen somewhere, but nobody knew what room it was happening in.

So what I'm really liking about the Greens is particularly when we're seeing such a rise in far-right and fascism, we do need people to be unapologetic about it.

That's how it creeps in.

It's because we start...

It's like, see, when you think of the biggest bullies in your life or that you've ever come across, the rules never apply to them until you do something to them.

yeah i worry that they've left it too late to do that because

Um, uh, I mean, is i- is this fairly typical of, uh, this, this, this sort of level of plot and counterplot, denial and accusation?

Yes.

Absolutely.

And I think one of the strange things that's come out of the last run of Conservative governments is that we have such a low level of patience for prime ministers now.

You know, it's like flicking channels on a TV show.

It's just like, "Next.

Next.

... reducing distraction quite quickly.