What would you say are some of those issues at the top, as you call them?

Yeah, there's a lot.

But one of the things I think that comes to mind is how lonely it is.

One of the ways I think about it is a lot of people hang out at the base of a mountain, but not a lot of people make the trek up.

And the further you go up, the thinner the air is.

The lonelier it is, it's almost like you're the one taking the machete to the jungle and clearing a path and you're getting the scrapes and bruises, but you're actually making a way for those who come after you.

So there's a lot of even well-intended leaders that are navigating so much pressure and so much uncertainty that everyone's experiencing right now.

But maybe they're the best thing for everyone's futures or salaries or for the company's survival.