And so that piece of it was a fun growth curve for us, but definitely had us stepping outside of our initial comfort zones.

That's so true on multiple levels.

My graduate work was focused on programming.

And when I realized that I wanted to work with adults who had illness along with their children, then I went back for my LPC2.

So all of my education also was based more in the programming realm.

Playing on what Missy said, part of the synergy that works so well between Missy and me was the fact that Missy had such a breadth of connections and experience on a national level, having been at John Hopkins, being very involved in our professional association, whereas I was local.

I had been in Austin for years, my husband's family for years before that, before I even moved.

So then in the beginning, was it very imperative for metrics sake to be able to show the validity of what y'all are doing? How did you document that to show that there was that need in the community?