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And so, and it was in Chicago.

But I would say that there are some key differences between the first one and the second one, besides the weather.

Um, the first one I would say that, um, we had, um, people from around the country, but the...

I would say that there was a pretty big difference in terms of people being able to talk about their campaigns between cities that had, that had established anti-war groups.

Like, so for example, the Minnesota Anti-War Committee has been around for, like, I don't know, 20, over 25 years.

WHAM, um, has been around for over 40 years.

You know, can you talk a little bit about, you know, what's happened, uh, uh, since the time that, uh, President Maduro and, uh, the first lady were, uh, Flores were, um, were kidnapped and, uh, you know, what's going on now and, and what the movement's doing and what the, you know, what the discussions at the conference were like about it?