Can you give us some insights into your childhood and your family life and the role of faith in your household?

Yeah, look, um, I grew up in Porirua in a big, um...

I mean, we're a migrant family, and, uh, it were my parents.

It was my parents that were the first of, of the, the two families to arrive and settle in New Zealand, and then after that, um, aunties, uncles, our grandparents then, then followed.

So that was the, the big, part of the big Pacific migration at the time that was happening in New Zealand, um, in the '60s.

Um, and my parents at the time had three children born in, in, in Samoa, and the policy at the time was is that you could come to New Zealand with only three children.

Like, you couldn't have any more.

Absolutely, yes.