Would you mind showing us this piece? Yeah,

yeah.

So this is called Door to Good Fortune.

So this was a print I did with the Mokuhanga sisters.

For this project, it's called our Masaban project.

So Masaban refers to the size of the paper.

It's a particular size paper, handmade.

Yeah, and

And I wonder for yourself, what were the things that you started, like, kind of cutting away, no pun intended, and keeping to make your specific voice in terms of your own personal mokuhanga?

I think when I...

It kind of harkens back to, like, when I was first learning printmaking, I hated printmaking because I, I loved drawing and I wanted to, I wanted my prints to look like drawings.

I wanted my prints to look the, like I wanted it to be as easy, I wanted, uh, them to look like paintings, you know? I, I, I was...

I didn't let prints be prints.

And after that first Me-Lab where it was like I can, I now know how to make mokuhanga prints look like mokuhanga, but also like the prints I was used to making with color and with texture, um, that's when I think I really saw s- so much of the benefit for me as an artist that I...

But I had to, like, get over that, that, like, "Oh, but it's not like this.

In what way?