So thank you for stopping your drinking and eating and coming over to give us a couple of words.

Donna, it's always an honor to be here.

And as you know, I had an interesting experience this last week at a professional event.

golf tournament and it really made me appreciate what you do and golf party live even more.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's about fun and friendship and this beautiful day and the fact that we have the ability to just be out here.

Right.

It really is incredible.

And, and the nervous system piece, huge.

It's huge.

Yeah.

And I mean, I'm so with you when you talk about, for me, labels are tricky, because I feel like they're so important to...

They're a window into understanding and gaining insight into how we can serve and support, but it can be sticky when we start to identify with certain things as...

They can become limiting, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, and we identify with, I can't do this because I'm this way.

And what I've really realized being in this field is that we're having these human experiences, and yes, there's different neural wiring, and we...

the path for their child to move forward, that kind of thing?

What do you think, Melissa?

Oh, from walking in the door three decades ago, [laughs] um, I, it's, it's a personal journey, I think.

I, um, have been humbled, um, by community.

Um, like Ronald was saying, not going into community and saying, "Here's your history." [laughs]

Yeah.

I, I, so I, I listen to, I, I take in.

I don't know everything, and that's one of the things that I've learned in, in the, in the time that I've been at the library.

I don't know everything.

But we're previewing them here because Ronald and Melissa are like a living, breathing demonstration of how attitudes change, and how an object like a huge decorative door can go from incredibly progressive to cultural eyesore, even in the course of a single generation, even in the mind of the same person.

So our, our brass doors, 30 years ago I thought they were great.

[laughs] And so now, um, now we've, we've done the research into, oh, what do they actually depict? Like, they're, they're Aboriginal people, and it's really good, but wow, look at what they're depicting there.

There's, there's these ceremonies and magic and sorcery, and, um, all of those types of things.

Um, I think that something should be done.

We should be, um, at least putting a signage on there to say, you know, this is what this means.

A dif-

Mm.