But what are you hearing and the challenges are?

Yeah, I mean, I think it is the age-old the, the women are the ones that everybody else is depending on, right? So it's really you feel this pressure.

I've- I'm working with women.

There's a, a lot of pressure on feeling like it's all up to them, and there's really not this ability to, to let your guard down, to really express your own need.

Um, you need to put everybody else first.

And so I think it's always that tension of how do we care for ourselves while caring for our families, while doing our jobs well? You know, it's all the things.

It's like I love the memes or the videos on, you know, Instagram right now.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.