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And the other side is, like, kind of like this delayed gratification side that, to me, I liked doing things that were hard and, and painful in a lot of ways because I thought there was gonna be a big reward or something that I really was looking forward in the end.

And, and that's why ballet is very, very good because you rehearse for, like, a year to have one hour on stage, right? So those things, in a lot of ways, I think my personality matched the kind of challenge I was, I was setting myself up for.

It was...

It's a lot easier for me if I have a very clear goal.

It was like I wanted to figure out how to both excel in normal school and in ballet, and I wanted to do that, and I knew it was around three years ahead.

So it was kind of like a eye on the target type of thing, but definitely not typical teenager.

Do you, did you experiment with other kinds of interfaces, or is it just the open-ended text box is the end-all be-all of AI?

So I think that's where...

You know, I was going through those three tiers of pixels, objects and concepts.

I think that's what's really exciting to me, is that we're-- in most chatbots out there, you're kinda like in a, in a chat, in a chat, and you kinda go backwards and forwards asking for the same thing, and it will regenerate the entire thing over and over again.

It's kind of annoying.

But with Canva AI, you've got the ability to have the conversational editing, which i- is extraordinarily powerful and brings completely new capabilities.

But then you have the normal Canva that you know and love, where you can just drag and drop, you can collaborate, you can do all your iterative editing, you can go and change a word here and update that and not having to prompt to do that.

They're ruining the product." And I'm just wondering how you are thinking about navigating that balance.

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That, that is fair.

I think, you know, for everything with like old technology, it's like is it help- people aren't, except for per- perhaps in Silicon Valley, waking up and thinking about AI every single day.

They're waking up and like they have a job to do, a teacher has a classroom to teach.

And so, you know, a small business has a small business to run.

A, a, and so forth.

Like everyone has their own job to do.

Where do you feel like the design creativity is going to live? I mean, i- is it that clear of a wall between the exploration stage and the scale stage?

There are people, there are designers for whom that is the way they make their money.

I think that we'll see across every industry that every profession changes quite radically.

And if you think about when printing presses came in, the amount of jobs that were displaced because of that, or if you think about when TVs were invented or when, you know, uh, even when, you know, we did a skit recently when, you know, different technologies come into the music industry and what has happened over the years.

When the gramophone was invented, everyone was like, "What's gonna happen to music?" But I think that the jobs specifically, the tools that you use totally change.

That's c- been a constant trend that you see in every couple of decades in every single industry.

Those things change all the time.

But the end outcome that you're trying to achieve doesn't really change.

And where are you in that?

What is the two-step plan? Why is this so important to you?

Yeah, so when you were asking about crazy big goals, I think this is our most macro, most crazy biggest goal.

Step one, build one of the world's most valuable companies, and step two, do the most good we can do.

And in our early days, I thought I'd do step one and then step two, and realized that actually step one can fuel step two and step two can fuel step one.

And so that's been a really big part of Canva for some years now.

You know, in the early days we took the 1% pledge, which I think is an incredible program.

Every single person, every single company should, should take that where you give 1% of time, money, equity, and, um, profitability.

Can you share something from that vision board?