Yeah.

Um, so Dad and I saw it.

I was looking for somewhere to live, and we were about to go on holidays, actually, so we were going on this family holiday, my mom, my dad, the kids and I and every...

Oh, so, uh, the auction was gonna be on when we were away, and we didn't have much time to spare.

And I was going around going, "Would somebody go to this auction?" And I thought, "What are you thinking about buying that building? It's gonna go for a fortune.

It's on the Malone Road.

And then, like, what are you gonna do?" And oh, it's just, it's a ridiculous idea.

You know?

It's amazing, isn't it? So Cleaver, did he own all those four buildings?

No, he owned one.

There was another guy, he was a Miller Hughes, owned the other one.

The McGonagall family are quite an interesting family.

They lived in number 47.

One of them was Ambrose McGonagall was the first Catholic judge in Northern Ireland.

The other one, Owen McGonagall, started the SAS with Blair Mayne.

Yeah.

Where do you think those barriers, you say barriers, where do you think those barriers come from or what puts those barriers up?

I think part of it is kind of heritage of the wine industry.

And wine has been slowly adopted over time here.

I remember days of my mum and dad having Le Piador.

They had red, they had a white.

That was amazing.

There's so much more wine than that now.

And then how's that snobbery avoided? Is it just the person? Is it?