And what has surprised you most about the job, switching from the political world to this CEO executive position?

Yeah, I mean, even in the just dozen years I've been with the organization, I think the business has dramatically changed, not just in the valuation of the teams, but in how we look at the business and how the business is able to grow.

When you think about 12 years ago, what social media was and what it is today, I think our digital team had three people and now we have 30 people that we're covering our content.

We're telling our story all day, every day.

Our company mission is make everyone a fan.

And for us, that could mean in person, hopefully, your season ticket holder for one of the teams or both of the teams.

We also have a G League, minor league men's team that plays in the suburbs in Noblesville, Indiana, which is a growing suburb.

Are you still working through you know, television stations or are you going directly through streaming services nowadays?