Can you share with us your story and what led you to where you are today?

I've grown up in East Germany.

So for us, taking a leap to Australia was, you know, I moved to Australia when I was 21 by myself.

That was impossible back in the day, you know, like I grew up behind the big wall and my parents didn't were part of the Monday demonstrations.

And I think being a child of the East in Germany, you grow up with that uncertainty as well, like uncertainty in life where what's going to happen, where do you go? But we also, I think, grow up with uncertainty deep conviction that you don't want to have these walls around you any you know in in your life so me going to Australia kind of by accident because a friend moved wanted to go there and wanted to travel and I was um about to study and I was like okay she said you know come and join me and I was like oh I don't even know where Australia is I was not on my dream bucket list, you know.

And I then, you know, everybody in my family thought, oh, she's never going to do that.

She's never going to do that.

And there's so much more to visibility.