Absolutely, yeah

... reflection is, like, in these sort of human driven or, or complex systems type of fields, I think you absolutely need to do that kind of- Reflection session after something happens, whether it works or doesn't, and think about what worked and why it worked and who it worked for and who it didn't work for, and would it work if we took it somewhere else? And how did it feel when we did that thing? You know, whatever it is, right? But, like, actually that, I think often we, we spend so much time preparing for big things, and then we don't spend enough time reflecting on them afterwards.

Um, so, so absolutely, and I think, you know, we have in our field, and I would guess in yours also, this it's much better to publish results that are impactful and positive than, "Oh, we designed this great intervention and it didn't work."

Who, who's doing that, um, kind of on your side?

side?Yeah, I mean, there are all of those things.

I think there's, I mean, there's certainly a few different voices that I could name and, and pinpoint, um, in the global health world.

I mean, I think Sheikh Abimbola has been really strong here.

Um, Madhu Pai, um, you know, there's, um, Rochelle Burgess has been working on global mental health, um, and, and trying to work on destigmatization there, um, and, and real strong community-based work again.